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Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by Nursie on Wednesday February 23, 2022 @01:34AM (#30438349)
Ah yes, the fallacy of thinking that because HN cares, the general public will inconvenience themselves.

The fallacy of thinking that software engineers as a profession will base what work they are willing to do on any form of ethics rather than getting paid.

And finally the fallacy of thinking that because I predicted what I think will happen that I also think it should happen.

The post I replied to, to remind you, claimed that people would change their ways when they were suddenly the focus of their payments being banned. But most won't be subject to that. Most will rightly or wrongly think that only affects bad people, and given that, most won't change their behaviour. Software engineers in general will do what they're paid to, very few make any sort of principled stand, if they do someone else will be hired.

Are you contending that human beings are generally very good at inconveniencing themselves and changing behaviour in the face of a small minority having their rights or liberties infringed? Because if so I'd like some of your happy pills.

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by walterbell on Wednesday February 23, 2022 @02:16AM (#30438543)
> claimed that people would change their ways when they were suddenly the focus of their payments being banned.

As stated in the original article posted to HN, the potential for change is not with those few who break the law, it's with the much larger group who believe in due process and social contracts. When trust is lost in a system, it affects many more people than the few humans who unexpectedly set a precedent in policy and become an exhibit in history books.

> Are you contending that human beings are generally very good at inconveniencing themselves and changing behaviour

When trust is lost in a system, it creates an opening for other systems, with different properties.

People don't choose inconvenience, but the failure of one system can motivate action beyond stable equilibria. People can then consider alternatives which may offer more convenience in some dimensions, less convenience (but other benefits) in other dimensions, and new properties which are not comparable between the two systems.

Most importantly, the loss of trust in one system creates an economic opportunity for competing systems, including investments that can change the calculus of convenience.

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by walterbell on Wednesday February 23, 2022 @04:51AM (#30439464)
> the fallacy of thinking that because HN cares, the general public will inconvenience themselves.

According to the U.S. Federal Reserve, the general public is using more cash, not cashless.

Are cashless advocates in an HN bubble?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30439095

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by Nursie on Wednesday February 23, 2022 @05:39AM (#30439745)
I don't know, but Americans almost certainly are, US payment systems and attitudes to them are generally far behind other countries.
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by walterbell on Wednesday February 23, 2022 @05:59AM (#30439838)
A bit awkward for cashless narratives that "behind" Americans are leading the world reserve currency, where cash use is increasing. Is there public data on the decline of cash outside America?