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Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by spicybright on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:39PM (#30435434)
It sounds like the author lives somewhere upper class. I've never been to a business that can't take cash.
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by uoaei on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:43PM (#30435476)
There are a few that won't take cash, especially in the more COVID-conscious areas.

Nominally it was because during early pandemic people were worried about handling cash with virons on it, or otherwise bringing infected peoples' bodies nearer to cashiers' bodies than strictly necessary.

Then many realized that their profits didn't take a hit since card payments are common now and nearly everyone has a card.

Now it seems simply to be a convenience thing. Probably businesses are happy with prompting every customer with a tip request, rather than expecting them to remember to drop some money in the jar before they leave with their goods.

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by henryfjordan on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:47PM (#30435510)
There were some non-cash businesses in L.A. before covid hit. My favorite was a boba shop. They mostly cited that the cost of the Armored truck to count/move the money + risk of robbery/theft (including by employees) cost them more than the CC fees and now it's all digital.
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by deathanatos on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:50PM (#30435532)
The state of Massachusetts no longer operates toll booths along some of its toll roads. You either have an EZ Pass, or (for +$0.60 more) you get a photo taken of your plate, and a bill mailed to you, which is online or check only, no cash option.

Or you stay off the toll roads, I guess.

IDK what NY's policy is, but it is rather hard to cross the southern Hudson without toll.

If you're renting a car, and you don't have an EZ Pass, some rental agencies will also charge some pretty ridiculous fees (we were once charged ~$25 for a single toll!), which pretty much forces you down the EZ Pass route, or onto some really odd paths to avoid incurring that charge. (In our case, we didn't even realize we'd driven on a toll road, and actually requested proof of such when the bill came. Sure enough, we had.)

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by henryfjordan on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:56PM (#30435586)
If Massachusetts says you owe money, they must accept cash. That's the point of cash being "legal tender", you cannot refuse it if someone is trying to settle a debt. That said, it might be really hard to figure out how to pay in cash.
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by giobox on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @07:09PM (#30435722)
EZ Pass website says debts can be settled in cash at their service centers. So yes you can settle in cash, but it is likely a massive pain to do as you suggest. Their site also says you can prepay your tolls in cash, to have account in credit, using the same service centers. I suspect almost no one does.

"Cash or Credit/Debit cards are accepted at any of our Customer Service Centers."

> https://www.ezdrivema.com/ezpassma

> https://www.ezdrivema.com/ezpassservicecenters

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by deathanatos on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @10:54PM (#30437383)
… so at the time of the example, I would have needed to travel ~3,000 mi, then.

And… you have to sign up, get a transponder, keep said transponder in your car and allow them to track your movements with it. (Which, admittedly, they can probably already do by reading license plates. Might as well just broadcast it on radio?)

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by ska on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @07:04PM (#30435678)
That's potentially interesting: legal tender means it must be accepted to settle certain debts and contractual obligations, but it doesn't mean you must accept it for transactions.

Something like EZ pass seems potentially gray area; can they just say "well don't use these roads if you don't like the payment terms" ?

I suspect you are right that with a state agency they probably have to provide some way for you to settle a debt (plus possible penalties) in cash, but they don't have to make it convenient.

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by henryfjordan on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @07:22PM (#30435855)
If there was a gate at the entrance to the road and they verified you had an EZ Pass before letting you drive onto their road, sure. It's the same as a coffee shop not giving you any coffee until you've paid using a credit card.

If they put up a sign that said "don't use these roads if you don't like the payment terms" and then you drove on the road anyway, that would technically form a contract between EZ Pass and the driver. However, contracts are made to be broken and any damages would be payable in cash so we're back to the start.

The legal tender thing has nothing to do with the agency being part of the state. Private debtors must also accept cash.

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by ska on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @08:10PM (#30436252)
> Private debtors must also accept cash.

Right, debtors do but merchants don't. And merchants can put terms on it, which was the point I wanted to make.

If the sign says, "you can use this toll road if you either use EZ pass or accept our pay-by-mail system", then there seems to be no reason you have to include "cash" as one of the options.

Of course if you fail to pay, then you do owe them a debt (fee + penalties + whatever) and I think you are right they have to somehow accept cash, but that doesn't have to be made easy for you. Agree its not a state vs. private issue, I should have been clearer.

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by casion on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:44PM (#30435481)
I live in a "not affluent" city, and cashless is common. Many restaurants will not take cash. No hotels take cash. Some gas stations do not take cash. Grocery stores actively encourage cashless payments. etc...

Is it more likely that you frequent places which are cash-centric? Coffee shops, independent retailers and the like?

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by lupire on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:46PM (#30435506)
independent vendors use square instead of cash.
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by casion on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:50PM (#30435533)
It's the opposite in my experience. If I go to the welding shop, it's cash only. Similar for other local shops that I frequent.
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by ghaff on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @07:46PM (#30436072)
I'd be surprised if that were the norm in most places in the US. I have a $20 bill stuck in my wallet--which I carry mostly as a backup in case something goes wonky with my phone--but I mostly don't carry cash except on trips and I expect I'm more careful than many.
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by phil21 on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @08:19PM (#30436338)
You'll find a strong blue/white collar divide here, which also tends to follow rural/urban lines.

Once you get into the trades and workshops, cash is king for obvious tax avoidance reasons. It's rare someone in such regions doesn't at least imply you can pay a portion of an invoice/bill with cash for a moderate discount.

Small shops in those areas might be more apt to only accept cash, and you'll notice at chain stores like Dollar Tree the cashiers actually have cash handling skills vs. the affluent areas of the cities.

For most places within the airline network, you can easily avoid paying cash these days. I still recommend anyone who travels keep enough cash on them to get back home in a pinch, if at all practical.

This is personal anecdote, but I make it a point to pay cash whenever at all possible (to the point of being "that guy" in my friend group) so I likely pay attention to it more than most.

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by handmodel on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:42PM (#30435469)
I'm far from the biggest crypto enthusiast but pretty hard to buy home, purchase car, get business loan etc. without a bank account. Obviously you can still get food and clothes no issue but I think the larger point stands.
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by nickff on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:42PM (#30435465)
It's become common in many restaurants and stores throughout North America during the COVID pandemic. It seems unlikely that all these businesses will revert. Other places such as China and some Nordic countries have gone further.
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by actually_a_dog on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:42PM (#30435462)
In SF, they recently passed a law saying all stores must accept cash.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/san-franciscos-cashless-ban-now-in...

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by adamrezich on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:45PM (#30435499)
many Walmart and other grocery self-checkouts began only accepting cards due to a ""coin shortage"" during covid, and it seems like they now have no reason to revert.
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by zdragnar on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @07:24PM (#30435872)
No need for scare quotes; it was (still is?) a real thing. My local rural grocery store has had a hard time getting coins for making change basically since covid started.
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by adamrezich on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @07:57PM (#30436156)
they aren't scare quotes, we just never got a good explanation for why there was a shortage, aside from some vague hand-waving about covid.
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by zdragnar on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @08:16PM (#30436306)
A super quick search on google reveals two causes:

- The US mint slowed production to protect workers

- The shutdowns slowed circulation of existing coins

Given that a large percentage of coins are irredeemably damaged or lost each year (I once knew a particularly spoiled college student who would simply throw change away rather than deal with keeping them) it doesnt seem like much explanation is owed beyond that.

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by adamrezich on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @08:36PM (#30436456)
and all of this right as the Federal Reserve is looking at making a digital dollar, what're the odds
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by Gigachad on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @07:06PM (#30435692)
In Australia, covid basically kicked it off. Now several regular businesses have stopped taking cash. Not high end rich people stores. Places like IKEA and chain restaurants.
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by SkyPuncher on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @07:31PM (#30435933)
I've been finding more and more.

In fact, a local ski resort ($99 season pass - cheap type of place) only allows ordering via the Toast App. No credit. No cash. App only.

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by RLN on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @07:03PM (#30435669)
In the Netherlands it's not terribly uncommon. It used to be more the other direction in the UK but it has become more common to be card only here as well.

I'm not really sure where class comes into accepted forms of payment? But I'm also not sure what class you're talking about.

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by dagw on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:54PM (#30435565)
I've never been to a business that can't take cash.

It's becoming more and more common here in Sweden. Especially smaller shops and restaurants don't take cash anymore since it's so expensive and annoying (and potentially dangerous) to deal with.

Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by SamReidHughes on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:58PM (#30435603)
With the "coin shortage" many businesses I've seen have required exact change. I still see a few oscillating in and out of that state today -- but somehow, the less corporate places don't have this problem.
Re:In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail ser... by booleandilemma on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @08:05PM (#30436214)
You see it in NYC. It's not exactly common but they're out there.