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Re:Ukraine Conflict Live Map by dragonwriter on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @01:59PM (#30432028)
> This is a very well known agreement.

It's a very well known non-agreement.

> James Baker agreeing to Gorbachev that NATO would expand "not another inch" eastward

That's...not how binding international agreements are formed.

Re:Ukraine Conflict Live Map by justsomehnguy on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @04:44PM (#30434300)
US: says one thing and do the other one

EVERYONE: claps

RUSSIA: says one thing and do the other one

EVERYONE: gasps

Re:Ukraine Conflict Live Map by darkarmani on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @05:39PM (#30434884)
Your false equivalence is around Russia INVADING a country after saying it was just doing military exercises.
Re:Ukraine Conflict Live Map by justsomehnguy on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:44PM (#30435484)
It is amusing to hear that in a comment chain about how US told it wouldn't expand to the East yet it did and how the current situation is a direct consequence of those talks.
Re:Ukraine Conflict Live Map by dragonwriter on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @07:09PM (#30435726)
> how the current situation is a direct consequence of those talks.

Putin just said it's a consequence of Lenin creating the fake entity of Ukraine on territory that should be Russian exacerbated by Stalin transferring additional territory that should be Russian to the fake entity of Ukraine.

Sounds like Russia (or at least Putin, who definitely has a l’etat, c’est moi thing going on), thinks the fundamental problem is the fall of the Russian Empire, not NATO, which is just an impediment to restoring the Empire.

Re:Ukraine Conflict Live Map by justsomehnguy on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @07:24PM (#30435874)
> Putin just said

And the other president said:

> "Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest -and you all know it! Please don't feel so stupid or insecure, it's not your fault."

At least that one really believed himself.

If you believe in Putin's words directed to the most dumb (and thus extremely patriotic) citizens of his [own] country then I have no stakes here anymore.

Re:Ukraine Conflict Live Map by darkarmani on Wednesday February 23, 2022 @09:46AM (#30441525)
How has the "US" expanded to the East? The US is bound by shorelines. I think your slip of the tongue is revealing of the propaganda against NATO. It's a membership driven club unlike actual invasion and annexation.

Sovereign countries choose to join the club. Besides, why would it be amusing for Russia to punish Ukraine for (perceived) grievances against the US?

Re:Ukraine Conflict Live Map by cowwander on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @02:08PM (#30432158)
>That's...not how binding international agreements are formed.

Thank you, this is exactly the point I arrived at as well. It's an admission that the primary tool of the US State Department is to make friendly, reasonable verbal agreements in front of the press and public, then do the dirty move they really wanted to do when the news cycle has moved past. This maintains the appearance to the US public that their foreign policy is always just, and never cynical or deceitful.