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Re:Dutch antitrust authority fines Apple for fifth time by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @01:10AM (#30424537)
> dating back to the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648. This international order is a major reason why we can have nice things, like peace, instead of unending war

Westphalian sovereignty has been a myth for centuries. It is incompatible with international trade. It is incompatible with Nuremberg. And it’s internally inconsistent, giving no guidance as to which historical borders are the correct ones nor what counts as domestic versus international concern. (Spoiler: anyone can find some point in time when they had legitimate claim to almost anything, and anyone can deem almost anything domestic or international.)

None of the Treaties’ signatory states exist today. None of them were democracies. Citing it is akin to bringing up the elements of fire and earth in a physics lecture.

Re:Dutch antitrust authority fines Apple for fifth time by inglor_cz on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @04:18AM (#30425687)
People being what they are, of course that the result wasn't perfect. But compared to the previous 150 years of intermittent religiously motivated wars, some of them fairly long (the 30 Year War really took 30 years from start to finish), Westphalian peace was a major improvement in quality of life. In 1648, many regions of Central Europe were essentially depopulated by the incessant fighting and looting.