You know, I don’t doubt you’re right - I only used it for a couple small projects. It could be that I’m bad at reading the manual. It could also be that the mediocre typescript support was getting in my way too much - that part was very frustrating.

I don’t think of it as a direct comparison to react or the react community though. There are other frameworks like it though and in my experience, it is better than they are. I guess what it came down to was that when I was confined to ember conventions, it seemed like I could often do so much more with other tools, with fewer constraints and restrictions. I suppose what the framework offered that the individual libraries didn’t wasn’t very useful to me.

Frameworks always come with trade offs and sometimes conventions are a great thing to trade for. A large team sharing an ember code base might actually be more productive than one using an ad hoc framework of all the other tools I like.

Back when I used symfony in php land for example (comparable to laravel), I loved its conventions in the context of a large team and rarely thought about the times it got in the way.