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Re:Vim 9 will be dedicated to Sven Guckes by freedomben on Monday February 21, 2022 @05:21PM (#30421453)
What do you mean, "I stop caring for people who do something like this?" Like literally you don't care that he died because someone on Twitter accused him of something gross? Or you don't care about his contributions to free software that improve the lives of millions of people? I'm not trying to challenge or straw-man you, I really want to understand what you mean.

I have no idea if he is guilty or not, but even still I think humans are much, much more complicated than that. If all of us are summed up and judged as "worth caring about" based on the worst things we've done (assuming he is guilty of the twitter accusation, which I have no reason to doubt but also don't accept purely on faith), I think most (all?) people will be judged worthless. I'm not trying to make the "but Hitler built the Autobahn" argument, I guess I'm more trying to understand why "hate the sin but love the sinner" has gone so out of fashion.

Re:Vim 9 will be dedicated to Sven Guckes by rectang on Monday February 21, 2022 @10:06PM (#30423599)
The phrase "something gross" is a wholly inadequate characterization of repeated written and physical sexual harassment (which is what is alleged). Minimizing it in such a way is illustrative of why the resentment is so fierce, that someone years after the fact, when they see their transgressor being honored and lionized, might be driven to stand up despite hurricane winds of opprobrium and speak out.

> I guess I'm more trying to understand why "hate the sin but love the sinner" has gone so out of fashion.

It's challenging for just about any victim to forgive their transgressor, and it's not necessarily even something we should expect and encourage. Should we insist that mugging victims hate the mugging but love the mugger? Even if the mugging dramatically changed the course of their life?

Besides, the institutional and social consequences for these "sins" are nowhere near adequate, to the extent that the environment around them greatly contributes to drumming women out of the tech industry.

It's a shame that a man's memory is being tarnished, but it will keep happening until the tech industry gets much much better at both punishing and preventing harassment — ideally stopping it before it starts.