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Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by GreenWatermelon on Monday February 21, 2022 @04:20AM (#30413585)
I'm less likely to use a site that offers obnoxious cookie consent forms, and I think I'm better off without them. so yeah, it made the world better for me.

My anger is directed towards the criminal websites that seek to circumvent the spirit of the law (most if the web today)

Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by shadowgovt on Monday February 21, 2022 @06:19AM (#30414475)
To my observation, there are no sites with more than a dram of content on them that haven't been compelled by GDPR compliance to put an obnoxious cookie banner up.

If you've found some, please share.

Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by denton-scratch on Monday February 21, 2022 @07:14AM (#30414967)
If you need to set a cookie for the correct operation of your site, then you don't need a cookie banner. The banners are a middle-finger to the GDPR.
Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by shadowgovt on Monday February 21, 2022 @09:38AM (#30416329)
... but "correct operation of your site" is in the eye of a judge and can't be evaluated before someone brings suit, so "better safe than sorry" behavior (at the cost of user time) is completely predictable.

... It's not even clear that it's safe to log IP addresses in the style of a default Apache configuration on a static website without user consent.

Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by denton-scratch on Monday February 21, 2022 @05:34PM (#30421612)
> completely predictable

It's completely predictable that there are people who don't want to comply. Collecting personal information is a lucrative business.

Re. Website logs: in fact it's perfectly clear that a website log retained for the purposes of site management is fine. It's on the face of the regulation.

Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by shadowgovt on Monday February 21, 2022 @06:20PM (#30422053)
> It's on the face of the regulation.

Right, collection for the purpose of running the site and all that. But does that mean "I run my site without having ever configured apache's HTTP access logs off the default, but I never read the logs" is fine? Because that sounds like collecting more PII (in the form of stored IP addresses) than is strictly needed to run the site. https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/42438/do-default-apa...

... and that's the problem and the reason that it's probably wise for even site administrators who aren't doing advertising-related data collection to pop the banner. Because the answer to that question is on the other side of a judge's ruling after a very expensive lawsuit. Better safe than sorry.

The law, as written, has entirely too many "The resolution of that ambiguity is on the other side of a judge's ruling after a very expensive lawsuit" for people to have not predicted a million banners. The defaults of the most ancient tools we use to host websites are, under the GDPR, ambiguously compliant.

Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by denton-scratch on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @12:22PM (#30430656)
> But does that mean "I run my site without having ever configured apache's HTTP access logs off the default, but I never read the logs" is fine?

Frankly, I don't think someone with that attitude should administer a server that's connected to the internet.

Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by shadowgovt on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @03:36PM (#30433362)
Fair, but I'd wager that's the average case for small blogs and personal sites... That most administrators of such sites don't read their access logs until there's a problem.

At least, every small blog and personal site that hasn't just given their content to one of the FAANGs already to do those jobs for them (which will, of course, "solve" these problems by throwing a cookie-consent banner and hooking the content up to their view-tracker of choice).

Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by denton-scratch on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @10:34AM (#30429174)
> probably wise for even site administrators who aren't doing advertising-related data collection to pop the banner.

I disagree.

As far as I can see, GDPR enforcement is not heavy-handed. You get a warning before any attempt at enforcement; then you get a modest "warning" fine.

Also, I'm not aware that the silly cookie banners provide any protection against GDPR enforcement; it's how you handle the data that matters, not a two-liner banner offering [OK] [Later] buttons.

If you want to "be on the safe side", handling data correctly will help; cookie banners won't.

Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by shadowgovt on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @11:22AM (#30429760)
Handling data correctly may not be feasible, especially for smaller users on shared-hosting solutions.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30402052

... and again, the problem is "correctly" is in the eye of a judge after an alleged violation has occurred.

Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by denton-scratch on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @11:41AM (#30430033)
The point is: the regulator simply can't prosecute every website, even if he wanted to. The regulator's goal is to achieve compliance. Accordingly, the regulator will first warn you that your site appears to be non-compliant. He will advise you on steps to be taken to come into compliance.

Regarding Apache logs, a default install of logrotate will probably bring you into compliance (not sure, haven't looked into it lately). Scrubbing IP addresses from Apache logs defeats the purpose of the logs; you need to know what IP addresses are attacking your server.

To reach the stage of a modest fine, you will have to ignore that warning and advice, effectively saying "So fine me, regulator!" And if your violation isn't egregious, you'll be a long way down the list of forthcoming legal actions.

Basically, making a reasonable effort to understand GDPR and come into compliance is probably both a protection against action, and a defence against conviction.

It's not hard to comply with the GDPR, unless you are running a business that depends on violating GDPR.

IANAL.