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Re:Neural nets are not “slightly conscious,” and AI PR can d... by visarga on Sunday February 20, 2022 @06:03PM (#30410121)
IIT is a nice intuition pump, but it's missing essential parts. Consciousness should be related to survival, replication of information and its own energy costs. It's not just some integrated information for no purpose at all. The purpose is survival if it is conscious.

If you add that to IIT, then you suddenly get a new filter for what could be conscious - something that competes for information replication, not just something with high IIT score.

Re:Neural nets are not “slightly conscious,” and AI PR can d... by sgillen on Sunday February 20, 2022 @07:30PM (#30410636)
>> Consciousness should be related to survival

Is that not just your intuition too? Is it not possible to imagine an artificial consciousness that does not care one way or the other for its own survival?

Re:Neural nets are not “slightly conscious,” and AI PR can d... by visarga on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:40AM (#30412928)
No because survival is closely tied to evolution. By mere survival an agent creates its own structure and values. It can't evolve if it doesn't risk its skin in the game. The price of our present day intelligence has been very high.

But you can piggyback AI training on human culture and embody the agent in our environment so it can still function like a conscious biological agent. The AI is just passing the buck to humans, without us it wouldn't even have a goal.

On the other hand all living things have goals without human help. Maybe when AIs can self replicate their information into the future like us, without external help, they could be eventually conscious. We don't know yet how to make physical self replicators that evolve. Only nature solved this riddle so far.

BTW, AlphaGo was subjected to evolutionary techniques, and it shows. The agents had to duel with clones and past versions of themselves. Survival was conditioned on win rate. Suddenly AI can surpass humans in this little environment, but that came at the price of discarding so many unfit earlier versions.

Re:Neural nets are not “slightly conscious,” and AI PR can d... by unfocussed_mike on Sunday February 20, 2022 @07:06PM (#30410501)
It sounds like you've maybe read Steve Grand's book, Creation: Life and How To make It?

That is his entire pitch; if you've not read it I wholly recommend it.