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Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by nemo44x on Saturday February 19, 2022 @07:58AM (#30396819)
We have too sone this with Welfare. It destroyed generations of people.

The idea that when doing something harmful we should have done it bigger is absurd. People need meaningful lives. Giving them a bag of money doesn’t do that and it makes them dependent.

Give people skills and self empowerment. Not free money.

Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by maxerickson on Saturday February 19, 2022 @08:15AM (#30396919)
Making children live in deprivation because their parents had bad luck or made a mistake doesn't create meaning.

It's kind of silly that there is so much discussion of giving away money when we can't even bother to structure healthcare provision in a way that makes sense (It shouldn't be hard to get Medicaid and there shouldn't be a cliff...).

Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by fellowniusmonk on Saturday February 19, 2022 @11:39AM (#30398365)
I know this from experience, I grew up in poverty and my parents died when I was young.

Bad luck = Lack of moral character to so many people who haven't experienced need.

It's the same Victorian England "just world" garbage that the fortunate have always embraced to prop up their own personal mythos.

It's funny that many self identifying christians treat the poor the worst from a public policy perspective, when the whole point of old testament law around land ownership and jubilee years was to protect children from suffering as a result of unlucky/stupid parents and to generationally guarantee access to capital and production.

The lack of a party equivalent to "christian socialists" (pro markets, pro capitalism, pro safety nets) in the USA really betrays the cruelty of americas faux christianity.

We seem very eager to punish unlucky and low leverage individuals... and their children.

Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by nemo44x on Saturday February 19, 2022 @02:16PM (#30399659)
There’s many ways to do this without incentivizing single motherhood. It’s devastating for the children. It might make you feel high and moral but you’re actively hurting people.

Better solutions involve getting kids out of these homes for as much of the day as possible and surrounding them with positive role models from extremely early ages.

Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by djrobstep on Saturday February 19, 2022 @06:24PM (#30401536)
Now we’re getting to the root of the issue - you think single mothers are evil and deserve to be punished with poverty, along with their children.
Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by nemo44x on Sunday February 20, 2022 @10:54PM (#30411804)
I don’t think it’s evil. I think it doesn’t work. We have all the evidence in the world that proves this. Children need 2 parents that are involved.
Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by djrobstep on Monday February 21, 2022 @01:14AM (#30412471)
While single parents continue to exist, should poverty be forcibly inflicted on them by lack of welfare state, or not?
Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by mrep on Saturday February 19, 2022 @09:57AM (#30397558)
The US is already sending out checks to all parents. How much more do you think it should be?
Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by maxerickson on Saturday February 19, 2022 @10:50AM (#30397949)
It clearly would have been good to keep the child tax credit expansion that expired in December in place. So at least that much more.