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Re:Elastic and Amazon reach agreement on trademark infringem... by shawnz on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @05:54PM (#30366985)
Don't you think there's a moral issue expecting free contributions to something which only you are allowed to monetize? And how can you satisfy users to the greatest extent while also preventing them from using the provider that is best able to meet their needs?

EDIT: regarding your inline response,

> Nowhere in OSS licenses does it include the expectations of free contributions

The expectation is not encoded in the license, it is the reason for choosing the license. Why would anyone want to afford you the benefits of FOSS so that you can personally monetize it and nobody else?

Re:Elastic and Amazon reach agreement on trademark infringem... by skrtskrt on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @06:35PM (#30367365)
There are plenty of reasons for choosing an OSS license - people can easily audit the code, people can self host for their own purposes, etc.

There is plenty of code that is only open-sourced after it has been fully created by a single organization/entity - no free contributions needed!

If we're talking about expectations not encoded in the license it's very clear that developers would just like to be able to release software with all those OSS benefits, but also to have a way to be compensated when AWS takes it, charges people to have it run it on an AWS server, and makes a ton of money.

I'm not denying AWS is adding value, but it sure is odd that they're the only ones making a dime there.

Re:Elastic and Amazon reach agreement on trademark infringem... by shawnz on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @06:56PM (#30367585)
I don't think those are really reasons for choosing an OSS license, they are reasons for choosing a source-available license (of which OSS licenses are just one kind).

> I'm not denying AWS is adding value, but it sure is odd that they're the only ones making a dime there.

I don't understand what's odd about it. If ES were never open source and was a proprietary product from the beginning, there would be nothing stopping Amazon from paying for it and providing it as a service under contract from Elastic, if they thought it added enough value to make that worthwhile. Then they would both be profiting in a monetary sense from the relationship. But it's not a proprietary product (or at least, it wasn't previously)

Re:Elastic and Amazon reach agreement on trademark infringem... by pabs3 on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @09:32PM (#30368873)
There is a talk by an OSS person (I forget the details), where they make the argument that AWS selling hosting for a particular piece of software increase the market for that software, which means that while AWS takes some share of the pie, the size of the pie is bigger so the original author's share goes down but the size of their slice goes up. So I'm not sure in every case AWS selling hosted software is actually a bad thing for the original authors.
Re:Elastic and Amazon reach agreement on trademark infringem... by sokoloff on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @07:28PM (#30367887)
I want to afford anyone the benefit of an F/OSS license so they don’t have to waste their life energy recreating a wheel that I’ve already created. If it helps you and saves you time, have at it! In other cases, I contribute back patches so that companies can ship better software to their users (sometimes so I benefit; other times just so someone else doesn’t have to fix the same bug I just fixed).

This license case isn’t about “you can personally monetize it and nobody else” but rather “you and anyone else who wants to can try to monetize it”.

Re:Elastic and Amazon reach agreement on trademark infringem... by shawnz on Thursday February 17, 2022 @09:56AM (#30373689)
Right, I mean to say why would potential contributors want to afford those benefits to the original author so that only the original author can monetize it?