I came here to post this, glad you already did. It's honestly one of the best things I've ever listened to. I find it amazing how he can paint such a nuanced picture of such a complex and horrific topic which lends itself so easily to taking a black-and-white view.

LeMay knew exactly how horrid of a thing he'd spearheaded, too.

"If we hadn't won, I'd have been executed as a war criminal."

They turned this podcast into an excellent book, and the audiobook gets all of the same treatments as the podcast:

https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/the-bomber-mafia-a-drea...