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Re:History's deadliest air raid happened in Tokyo during Wor... by lern_too_spel on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @12:58PM (#30363273)
The alternate history is the Soviets do a ground invasion from the unfortified north. They had broken off their pact with Japan months early and invaded Manchuria just days after the first atomic bomb was dropped, ultimately gaining (and keeping after the Japanese surrender) control of the northern part of the Korean peninsula. Hirohito would have been captured by the Soviets and suffered a fate similar to Puyi's, while Japan itself would have been split up like Germany. This would have been anathema to the Japanese, which is one reason they were scrambling to find a channel to offer unconditional surrender to the US as soon as the Soviets invaded, after having more or less ignored the Hiroshima bombing, their previous channel via Stalin having been cut off.

The US was aware that the Soviets would not renew the nonaggression pact, having negotiated it with Stalin in Yalta in February 1945, and with the Soviet Union denouncing the pact in April. It's possible that the bombs allowed the US to mostly ignore Soviet interests in setting the terms of the surrender, which would have a positive effect, but otherwise, I'm not as sure as most Americans that the atomic bombings were necessary.

Re:History's deadliest air raid happened in Tokyo during Wor... by trhway on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @02:26PM (#30364554)
Atomic bombs insured that USSR doesn't cross the 38th. That was the most important goal of the bombings.

Japan was already done either way. USSR squashed the 1M+ strong Quandong army in a matter of days Several days more or less - that didn't matter. The bombings weren't the last shot of WWII. They were the first shot of the Cold War establishing its battle lines in that region.

Re:History's deadliest air raid happened in Tokyo during Wor... by panick21_ on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @05:16PM (#30366556)
The Soviet had literally zero capability of invading Japan. The only way the could have would be on US and British ships.
Re:History's deadliest air raid happened in Tokyo during Wor... by lern_too_spel on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @06:11PM (#30367150)
The Soviet Pacific Fleet had ships in Vladivostok that they were readying for an August 24 invasion of Hokkaido after successfully moving troops to take Sakhalin and Northern Korea. https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/05/stalin_japan_hiroshima_...
Re:History's deadliest air raid happened in Tokyo during Wor... by panick21_ on Saturday February 19, 2022 @12:49PM (#30398941)
If Japan was not caught napping, I believe 100% that this operation would fail. If 100s of suicide attacks those ships would sink with troupes and all. Even if they land, an land invasion supported by sea based logistic is incredibly difficult.

And the troupes in Japan were not at all like the army left on the continent.

Re:History's deadliest air raid happened in Tokyo during Wor... by lern_too_spel on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:23PM (#30458273)
Japan was caught napping. They were preparing for an allied invasion from the South. The troops in Japan had been cut off from supply of raw materials from the continent.