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Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by zinekeller on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @03:32PM (#30352256)
> Reduce e-waste and extend the life of your existing devices by transforming them with a modern OS.

Flies in the face of many functional Chromebooks/Chromeboxens losing support (https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366). Extend the support lifetimes of your first-party hardware and I'll believe you, Google. Unfortunately, you have definitely burnt many bridges over this.

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by ignoramous on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @03:38PM (#30352336)
> Today, the OS is in early access and you may experience some instability.

Tomorrow the OS is EOL and you may experience déjà vu: https://killedbygoogle.com/

Jk, they won't surely?

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by geofft on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @04:31PM (#30353025)
Google is a business - they are neither a kindly old wizard doing things for the good of the people, nor are they a game show wheel, randomly picking a product to kill today.

You can pretty accurately model what they will and won't do with this one unusual insight that they're a business.

For instance: are they going to kill Chrome? No, Chrome has given them market dominance as well as a seat at the table to define web standards, improving and shaping the web platform both to be a more appealing product to developers and users, so that they can make more money when they stick ads on it, and to more easily support sticking ads on it. Or, briefly, Chrome - though it's not a paid product per se - makes them huge amounts of money.

What about (from that website) Google Currents? It's the rebranded, corporate-only version of Google+. Its biggest user was almost certainly Google itself, and it was a venue for employee activism and therefore was a threat to corporate profit. Briefly, though it was a paid product, they had few paying users and it cost them money.

A sibling comment mentions the end of legacy free G Suite (formerly GAFYD) accounts for very small users. This was, by definition, a thing that didn't make them money and a thing that was hardly an on-ramp for subscriptions that did make them money. Again, you could predict this.

So what abut Chrome OS Flex? It remains to be seen - it's not as clearly worthwhile as Chrome or even Chrome OS itself. But Google does absolutely make money on Chrome OS Enterprise, which this product is clearly linked with. It's nowhere in the same boat as things they provided out of the kindness of their corporate-personhood heart like legacy free G Suite or Google Reader.

It might end up being a failed experiment, certainly. But "It's a Google product" is a weak signal about whether it's going to get killed, and there are many stronger signals. Let me know when they kill Ads and Cloud.

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by qwertox on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @03:54PM (#30352549)
Lately with the G Suite announcement it has felt more like a massacre. Who cares about Google Currents shutting down, when we have already learned not to touch new Google products like Duo, Hangouts, Meet or whatever they are named.
Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by edgyquant on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @11:24PM (#30356345)
What G Suite announcement? That they changed the name?
Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by chrisdhal on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @07:58AM (#30359403)
The one where the free GSuite accounts, that they discontinued 10 years ago, were now going to be converted and you'd have to pay for them. They didn't "massacre" anything, it was already done a decade ago.

https://support.google.com/a/answer/60217?product_name=UnuFl...

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by squarefoot on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @03:55PM (#30352561)
Translation: lots of cheap 2nd hand Chromebooks/boxes to unlock and flash with an open OS.

https://mrchromebox.tech/

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by Shadonototra on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @06:11PM (#30354208)
if you don't try, you don't exist

they should be proud to have such a page

do you have yours? oh sorry, you don't even try

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by incrudible on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @08:09PM (#30355183)
If you keep killing products quickly after launch, people will hesitate to invest in your products. This is also a problem with startups. I need a problem solved, not be part your incredible journey.
Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by ignoramous on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @01:56AM (#30357069)
Undoubtedly there remain issues with Eric Schmidt style 'let a thousand flowers bloom' approach to product development, though, there is some upside to it, too (gmail, for ex). That said, I doubt the list on killedbygoogle.com parroted around as a badge of honour of having tried even if failed, is one of them... cognitive dissonance be damned.
Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by notacoward on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @05:54PM (#30354024)
Couldn't agree more. My 2015 Chromebook Pixel was EOLed not too long ago. Microsoft will still support Windows on older machines than that. If Google wants to go all white-knight about preventing e-waste then supporting their own older machines is the first thing to do. Otherwise it looks like just greenwashing as a tactic to convert Windows/MacOS hardware to their own OS.
Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by notyourday on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @06:34PM (#30354440)
It worked on CN60 - here are the instructions https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30354398
Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by vero2 on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @03:39PM (#30352353)
most chromebooks got up to 6 years support. BTW, one can still use these old ones, they will get LaCros (where only browser gets updated).

> Flies in the face of many functional Chromebooks/Chromeboxens losing support

On these old hardware you can install Linux or even cloudready. Are you expecting support forever?

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by _Algernon_ on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @04:09PM (#30352763)
I used my last laptop for 10 years. If you actually want to "Reduce e-waste and extend the life of your existing devices", install a Linux distro with a light DE (e.g i3 or xfce).
Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by vero2 on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @04:11AM (#30357825)
The problem is regular user does NOT want i3. Google cannot build a i3 and provide it as an update to old chromebook.

BTW even latest Lubuntu needs 4GB RAM... Sure you can use minimal window manager like awesome, but not the average joe!

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by _Algernon_ on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @01:51PM (#30364035)
I mentioned xfce for that exact reason. It is still pretty light, while being a more familiar to the average user.

That being said, most average users aren't gonna care about e-waste anyways, and are gonna buy a new computer ever couple of years, so for them this is a non-issue.

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by MarkusWandel on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @09:10AM (#30360125)
I use Linux on 10 year old laptops, though typically with minimum 4GB RAM installed. The desktop environment being bloated has been a solved problem for years. Gnome Shell is crisply responsive and Mate (my choice) even more so. Want to watch videos in 1080p fullscreen? No problem.

It's the browser, or rather the stuff that runs in it, that bogs down old laptops. The >1 second delay to switch folders in Gmail, for example, or the sluggish loading of video thumbnails in Youtube.

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by _Algernon_ on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @09:33AM (#30360444)
True. Browsing on that laptop was not a great experience. But the rest of the experience was much better than windows 10 would have been. Instead of 1-2GB RAM usage at idle I was at <500MB with i3.
Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by eeeficus on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @03:48PM (#30352481)
No, of course not! Let’s throw away perfectly good computers. Yes I know that you can use Linux but I expect that if I’m buying a chromebook, I like the OS as well?
Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by HelixEndeavor on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @04:21PM (#30352908)
The whole premise of the Chromebook and reason for its market share is the simplicity to average users. Most of what we do is web browser-focused. So cut out the fat and have a computer that's all about the web browser.

The proposition of installing Linux on these machines once they're EOL flies in the face of the reasons most users buy them, and won't at all address the core issue.

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by yjftsjthsd-h on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @04:54PM (#30353316)
> Are you expecting support forever?

I mean... maybe? Why not? At worst, drop to a second tier of support where firmware might not get updated and new features that actually need new hardware don't work, but why should chromebook hardware stop working any more than any other PC? Most of my machines are 5-10 year old machines that Linux happily supports; why should Chrome OS - built on top of Linux - support any less?

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by zinekeller on Thursday February 17, 2022 @01:07PM (#30376469)
??????

I have a Windows laptop from 2010 still working fine, and a lot of Linux enthusiasts also say the same thing. Six years is pathethic for laptop support. Fortunately Google has realised this, but their insistence on not applying this on existing machines is hypocritical.

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by jethro_tell on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @03:52PM (#30352531)
I'd like support until I decide to be done with it.

With a Linux base, it seems like releasing the drivers to mainline and supplying browser updates ought to take care of that. I don't really understand what else would need to go into that so maybe I'm missing something but especially for x86 boxes it should be pretty simple.

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by fleddr on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @06:57PM (#30354633)
Yes, I'm expecting support for as long as the hardware runs. Disposing hardware that is perfectly functional is ludicrous and insane.

Further, if your hardware product requires never-ending software updates just to keep it working, perhaps you should invest in writing less crappy software to begin with.

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by notacoward on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @05:55PM (#30354034)
> Are you expecting support forever?

How about as long as Microsoft? Or Red Hat? Why the hell not?

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by vero2 on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @04:15AM (#30357846)
Does Redhat provide OS for 2GB RAM, celeron devices? Poor comparison. And BTW, are you willing to pay > $200 per year for chromeOS (like RHEL)? Note that RHEL is also frozen, but average Joe wants all latest features in chromebook. Also even youtube/facebook needs so much RAM. Only you can survive browsing with w3m or wget - then chromeos is not for you.
Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by notacoward on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @08:13AM (#30359532)
> Does Redhat provide OS for 2GB RAM?

Actually yes. The standard is ten years from when the version is released, compared to Google's six. RHEL 7 (for example) was released in 2014 requiring 2GB, so people could indeed still have RHEL on such a system with two years of support left to go.

> RHEL is also frozen

Untrue. It doesn't move fast, to be sure, but it does get updated. Source: I used to be in the RHEL team.

> And BTW, are you willing to pay > $200 per year for chromeOS

I paid Google $1600 for the machine itself. The OS was bundled with the machine. It worked out to more than $200 per year. Please do some more research before cross-examining others - or, since the guidelines preclude that, just don't.

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by arianvanp on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @05:59PM (#30354077)
That is what I'm expecting because that is what the competition they're trying to protect from ewaste with this weird product is already basically offering. My last laptop I've used for 10 years. A good gaming desktop will stay relevant for at least 10 years. Microsoft will support it for longer than that
Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by notyourday on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @06:33PM (#30354436)
It worked on CN60.
Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by zinekeller on Thursday February 17, 2022 @01:02PM (#30376395)
And, what's your point? Why this isn't an automatic update - I thought that the premise of ChromeOS is escape from Windows' update nightmare.
Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by notyourday on Friday February 18, 2022 @12:26PM (#30388493)
Because it has not been supported by Google for 2.5 years.
Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by zinekeller on Saturday February 19, 2022 @07:34AM (#30396658)
And, again, what's your point? Why this isn't an automatic update - why does Google not put the effort of upgrading their old systems while Microsoft just do it? Apart from the ill-fated Surface RT, Microsoft's old devices still receive periodic updates with minimal intervention. Why Google can't do the same thing?

Edit: actually, Microsoft is even kind enough to support clusterf***s that are not even their fault - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/07/clover-trail-systems.... As another comment pointed out, just give security updates if it's too onerous to upgrade to the next OS - which in CN60 is demonstrated to be a pure business decision.

Re:Google Release Chrome OS Flex by notyourday on Sunday February 20, 2022 @02:56PM (#30408764)
Because it went out of support. 5 years is their term for Chromebooks/Chromeboxes. I paid $220 for it. Was it infuriating that they did not support it longer? Yes. But $220/5 = $44/year. I gave info to people who were curious if this worked. It did.

Want to write something ragey about it? Publish it on your blog.