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Re:Green steel without green hydrogen – can it work? by kragen on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @12:12PM (#30349326)
1600° is really about the same temperature as an ordinary blast furnace, and silicates have been commonly used as fluxes and refractories in steelmaking, even if basic oxygen steelmaking is more popular nowadays. If I understand correctly, Bessemer converters commonly used silicates. So I don't think the challenges you're pointing at, even if they have to be solved, are anything new for steelmaking.

However, the article suggests that actually the electrolyte might be neutral, containing both calcium and silicon oxides. That can't possibly be right if they're talking about only 1600° because larnite would precipitate out.

Electrodes would surely be carbon, just as they are in any old arc furnace. This does result in carbon dioxide emissions, as it does in the making of aluminum. Can they keep this down to an acceptable level? Is there an alternative electrode material, such as zirconia or carborundum? I'd like to know, but the article doesn't say.

Re:Green steel without green hydrogen – can it work? by pfdietz on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @12:59PM (#30350167)
I think carbon electrodes would dissolve in iron. If I recall correctly, it's some sort of oxide-coated metal electrodes.
Re:Green steel without green hydrogen – can it work? by kragen on Thursday February 17, 2022 @03:58PM (#30378568)
Well, carbon electrodes don't dissolve fast enough in molten iron to keep them from being standard equipment for decades in EAFs, but you're right that that's not what they're using.

Scythe found this paper by Lan Yin, Antoine Allanore, and Sadoway from 02013 that says they're using 90% chromium, 10% iron, forming a refractory but conductive layer of eskolaite/alumina: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23657254/ Boston Metal links this paper and calls out Allanore on their about page: https://www.bostonmetal.com/who-we-are/.

Sadoway is on Boston Metal's board, but Yin and Allanore evidently aren't involved.

Re:Green steel without green hydrogen – can it work? by pfdietz on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:00AM (#30383947)
Electric arc furnaces for steel don't typically immerse the electrodes in the molten metal (in the slag on top of the molten metal, yes.)
Re:Green steel without green hydrogen – can it work? by kragen on Sunday February 20, 2022 @03:59PM (#30409218)
Oh, of course you're correct, thank you. How high is the solubility of graphite in molten iron?
Re:Green steel without green hydrogen – can it work? by pfdietz on Sunday February 27, 2022 @02:01PM (#30491387)
Iron/carbon phase diagram: http://www.substech.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=iron-carbon_pha...

The eutectic of iron and carbon (mixture with the minimum melting point) is 4.3% carbon by mass.

There's a chapter from Richard Preston's "American Steel" (a 1992 book that I highly recommend about the Nucor minimill in Crawfordsville, Indiana) where they find at one point during the startup of the then-cutting-edge continuous casting line that the steel in arc furnace had too little carbon. They decided to solve that (expensively, for the purpose of the testing) by dipping the electrodes into the steel and letting their ends dissolve.