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Re:U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline by aklemm on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @09:44AM (#30347049)
Fewer people is the answer. Is there a way to humanely, ethically, and justly limit the population?

Conventionally, talking heads seem to indicate the right way forward is to use tech and industrial agriculture to support 20bn+ on the planet. Seems totally doable, but at the cost of losing the natural environment as well as more natural food sources altogether.

Anyway, I say get us back to around 5bn people and keep it there.

Re:U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline by greedo on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @04:26PM (#30352963)
Trying to limit the world's population is impossible. It would require an authoritarian world government and that's not going to happen.
Re:U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline by aklemm on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @06:54PM (#30354616)
Remove tax deductions for more than two kids per couple. Tax the suburbs more highly. Encourage couples to only have two kids just like we encourage people not to litter. Trade less with countries with high birth rates and raise fees on those countries’ environmental impact. All that could be done democratically, no?
Re:U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline by greedo on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @10:22AM (#30361095)
Good luck getting the first two passed into law, at least in the US. "Encourage couples..." will get no traction. We still have a ton of littering, and all the religious groups in the US (the Quiver Full movement etc) will love that. Cutting trade based on a country's birth rate and adding tariffs based on EI etc will be extremely problematic.

Sure anything can be done "democratically." But politics is the art of the possible...

Re:U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline by PolygonSheep on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @09:11PM (#30355560)
Punitive taxation and restricting trade with Africa wouldn't be a good look...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d...

(Not to say it's only Africa by any means, but you do have to go quite a ways down the list before you hit a non-African country).

Re:U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline by aklemm on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @09:29PM (#30355681)
Sure, but would it be worth it? I suspect yes; the alternative is continued population growth leaving very little natural world on the entire planet and all of us eating an industrially farmed diet.
Re:U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline by rhino369 on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @09:50AM (#30347145)
You would said 500 million people 200 years ago.

Malthusians in 200 years will say 50 billion.

Re:U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline by aklemm on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @06:57PM (#30354629)
Is this helpful? I mean, we’ve already passed the point of too much natural habitat lost and too much industrial ag needed, so I think a number less then our current population is reasonable.