Re:Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported...
by cf100clunk on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:48PM
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If a person or group knowingly deploys sonic psychological warfare techniques upon innocent people, they are torturers. In this context, the constant blaring of truck horns is deliberate and not meant in kindness or frivolity. The negative psychological effects upon the local residents are now well known and well documented.
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Re:Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported...
by ctoth on Monday February 14, 2022 @03:44PM
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Okay but the thing about torture is, in order to be torture you must be prevented from leaving the situation. Are they literally trapping people in their homes? No. You just really really don't like them and so are trying to delegitimize their protest with use of loaded language. Torture means things like having your skin pealed off or your fingernails removed. Torture means things like being imprisoned and repeatedly being made to feel as though you are drowning. Constant honking must certainly be annoying! But as far as I'm aware, protests are supposed to be uncomfortable and annoying. This is not torture. It's like terrorist. The word terrorist now means somebody did a thing that the government doesn't like. Are we going to do this same thing with torture? Because I'm not here for it.
Re:Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported...
by FireBeyond on Monday February 14, 2022 @04:28PM
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Oh, it's fine, because everyone can afford to go to a hotel for a few weeks, then, right?
Re:Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported...
by ctoth on Monday February 14, 2022 @04:46PM
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Me pointing out that this is not torture, that torture means specific things and that this doesn't meet the commonly-accepted definition of torture, followed by you glibly inserting the phrase "its fine" is a perfect microcosm of why online discussion is doomed.
Torture means you are in pain and you cannot stop it. Not by getting on the bus and riding across town, not by wearing earmuffs, it means that you, the person being tortured, cannot stop the torture.
This is clearly not the case when there is noise outside your house that you dislike. Words have meanings, let's please stick to using them.
Re:Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported...
by FireBeyond on Monday February 14, 2022 @04:51PM
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You want to be absolutely pedantic about torture "meaning specific things", and where "commonly-accepted definitions" happen, conveniently, to mean what's more convenient to you.
Dictionaries, on the other hand, define torture as "inflicting pain and suffering on".
The UN Conventions on Torture in no way specify that imprisonment, formal or otherwise, is a required component for something to be defined as torture.
So my opinion is that your vision of torture in this instance is far more narrow, because it fits your worldview more.