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A comment on Ask HN: If you were in a software developers' union, what would you fight for?. Parent comment

Re:Ask HN: If you were in a software developers' union, what... by verdverm on Saturday February 12, 2022 @11:36PM (#30319266)
> Democracy is a superior version of decision making right?

Not always, no. Everything has nuance and context. For example, would you like democracy and voting in the emergency room? While I don't agree with it, China has demonstrated interesting results from non-democratic decision making. Certainly direct democracy does not scale well and would be a terrible idea at out present moment.

Is the country really run with the input of the citizens? What are politicians optimizing for? What are the contents of the policies being passed and what are they based on? Who's actually writing the majority of that? Do all employees have the ability and context to make informed input or decisions? Are there any decisions which will make all people happy? Do all people consider the same acts harmful?

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Re:Ask HN: If you were in a software developers' union, what... by kelseyfrog on Sunday February 13, 2022 @12:15AM (#30319454)
Even in the emergency room there is always at least two people giving input. The patient can always not consent. In an employee-employer environment, shouldn't employees have at least some option to not consent as well?
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Re:Ask HN: If you were in a software developers' union, what... by verdverm on Sunday February 13, 2022 @12:25AM (#30319499)
Employment is a contract, not a right. You can always end the contract.

What if we think about workplace requirements for vaccines? Does your opinion on employee option to not consent remain?

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Re:Ask HN: If you were in a software developers' union, what... by kelseyfrog on Sunday February 13, 2022 @12:45AM (#30319584)
We already have voting with one's feet and yet here we are. Workers should be able to collectively bargain on whatever they want including input on the ethics of what they are asked to produce.
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Re:Ask HN: If you were in a software developers' union, what... by verdverm on Sunday February 13, 2022 @12:35PM (#30323577)
Seems as though your mind is made up and your questions are not for gaining understanding
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Re:Ask HN: If you were in a software developers' union, what... by kelseyfrog on Sunday February 13, 2022 @01:08PM (#30323946)
On the contrary. I did gain an understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your position is to maintain the status quo w.r.t workplace decision making, correct?
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Re:Ask HN: If you were in a software developers' union, what... by verdverm on Sunday February 13, 2022 @01:51PM (#30324390)
You are wrong, but that's what happens when you project your biases and assumptions.

Perhaps try to avoid treating the other person as an adversary when they don't agree with you

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Re:Ask HN: If you were in a software developers' union, what... by jimmyvalmer on Sunday February 13, 2022 @08:32AM (#30321642)
You can always end the contract

Most people don't have the kind of eff-thou money, which is why OP asked his question conditioning on unionization.

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Re:Ask HN: If you were in a software developers' union, what... by verdverm on Sunday February 13, 2022 @12:34PM (#30323569)
Then they are probably not managing their finances as well as they ought to be. Given OP is talking about software jobs, which are among the highest paying in any region.
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