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Re:Some conclusions about the high desert after five months ... by matthewdgreen on Saturday February 12, 2022 @01:00PM (#30314776)
> You don’t get to only hang out with Democrats. Former Trump voters are the people who drag your car out of the sand when it gets stuck, or help you fix your bathroom, and they are extremely nice, and don’t turn their noses down at your fussy jute rugs or purple sofa.

I guess I’ve always assumed that (like myself) many US city dwellers grew up in rural areas and migrated to the city because of the lack of economic opportunity. Many others grew up in generally conservative working class urban areas. So I’m constantly surprised that Substackers feel the need to constantly remind their audience that rural people are ordinary folks and don’t have forked tongues or whatever.

At the same time I feel articles like this one miss a lot of the real tragedy that goes on in US rural areas. For city migrants with fancy remote jobs there’s plenty to enjoy. But your children will have to leave the area when they grow up, at least to maintain a similar quality of life. Having moved to a medium-size city (and left my rural home at 18) I am contemplating the idea that my own children might live close to me after they grow up - or at least they could choose to. That’s exciting and I think trumps any amount of natural beauty I miss living in Baltimore. And over the course of my lifetime politics has become polarized in a very nasty way, largely due (I think) to the economic circumstances. You can ignore this but it’s still there.

Finally: if your friends in the city are pretentious, make some new friends.

Re:Some conclusions about the high desert after five months ... by pnathan on Saturday February 12, 2022 @01:06PM (#30314811)
> For city migrants with fancy remote jobs there’s plenty to enjoy. But your children will have to leave the area when they grow up, at least to maintain a similar quality of life. Having moved to a medium-size city (and left my rural home at 18) I am contemplating the idea that my own children might live close to me after they grow up - or at least they could choose to. That’s exciting and I think trumps any amount of natural beauty I miss living in Baltimore.

Absolutely true. Part of why we want to be in the city is so that our children don't _have_ to leave, like we had to.

Re:Some conclusions about the high desert after five months ... by s1artibartfast on Saturday February 12, 2022 @02:28PM (#30315525)
Yes and no. There is always the option of being a "townie". I moved into a city 15 years ago and often ponder what life would be like if I had stayed, and what I want for my children.

While city life certainly comes with more monetary opportunity, I am still not sure it is worth the costs. I earn 200k/yr and struggle with the prospect of being a home owner here, knowing full well I make well above the median. Visiting my home town, I talk with peers who stuck around and bought homes with a bar tender's salary shortly after graduating highschool. They have their own challenges, but they are very different than mine. The grass is always greener, but I feel that the American dream of family, home ownership, and independence and is much more attainable in small towns.

Re:Some conclusions about the high desert after five months ... by pnathan on Saturday February 12, 2022 @08:30PM (#30318217)
I have a lot of thoughts about this. The basic fact is that there are very few opportunities where I'm from. However, people do get by. Now, suppose that I was graduating high school in a rural WA area now... I'm reviewing houses in "the nowhere" right now, just out of curiosity, and 500K is very normal. I don't understand how this isn't going to cause a massive political upheaval in the next decade. People have got to have places to live.
Re:Some conclusions about the high desert after five months ... by s1artibartfast on Sunday February 13, 2022 @02:06AM (#30319888)
Yeah, it is a big question too.