Re:How the modern world arose from imaginary numbers
by ravi-delia on Saturday February 12, 2022 @04:42PM
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I get what you're saying, but complex numbers go right into literally any slot a real number goes into. That isn't true of a matrix. Plus, they implicitly include the reals as a subset, which lets them follow in the tradition of the integers, rationals, and reals. It's sort of hazy, but I'd only start to draw the line at the p-adiacs.
Re:How the modern world arose from imaginary numbers
by mihaic on Monday February 14, 2022 @05:12AM
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It is a bit hazy, yes. For me having a total order relationship is one of the intrinsic properties of intuitive numbers. Complexes don't have that, but reals do, so I'm sure if you meant you can put them in the slot, but you'd compare the modulus.
That's why I'd prefer to relabel them like "2-d numbers" for instance, to make it clear that some properties are affected like going from points on a line to points on the plane.
Re:How the modern world arose from imaginary numbers
by ravi-delia on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @12:23PM
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That's a super fair point. I guess to me it matters more that it has all the usual field behaviors with the reals as a subset, but it is the first step "up" the hierarchy where you lose something instead of just gaining. I'm sort of used to substituting a metric in for order, but that obviously doesn't work everywhere.
Re:How the modern world arose from imaginary numbers
by Jtsummers on Friday February 11, 2022 @10:29AM
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Should we also stop calling negative numbers numbers?
Re:How the modern world arose from imaginary numbers
by garmain on Friday February 11, 2022 @12:51PM
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Maybe. Consider for example Hossack (2020) Knowledge and Philosophy of Number. He indeed lays out a framework in which negative "numbers" aren't considered numbers, precisely because negative numbers combine a magnitude with a direction.
Re:How the modern world arose from imaginary numbers
by Jtsummers on Friday February 11, 2022 @01:06PM
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Let's throw out every textbook and start over, then.
Re:How the modern world arose from imaginary numbers
by garmain on Friday February 11, 2022 @01:35PM
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Maybe we should. Irrespective of any concerns on the philosophical underpinnings of mathematics, there is an active discourse on the shortcomings of pedagogical resources. See for example Hung-Hsi Wu and his negative view of "Textbook School Mathematics (TSM)". His critique is aimed at the US. I am unfamiliar with any cohesive argumentation across for example European curricula.
Numbers in laymans terms imply something that can be quantified and compared, which in the end I think leads to a lot of confusion when introducing the term.