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Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by doctor_lollipop on Thursday February 10, 2022 @10:36AM (#30287616)
> No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace

I'm so looking forward to that.

Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by cyral on Thursday February 10, 2022 @10:41AM (#30287716)
What is the alternative? We are going to go back to 2005 where we send docs over email? Files end up being too large, nobody knows what the latest copy is, etc.
Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by newaccount74 on Thursday February 10, 2022 @10:57AM (#30288003)
The EU is big enough that companies like Microsoft will find a way to offer their services legally, and if they wouldn't, it would be a huge opportunity to EU based competitors. It's not like we don't have any software companies in the EU.

Also, there's no reason that collaboration tools must be hosted on a US cloud. Especially Microsoft traditionally provided tools for their customers to host their own infrastructure -- it's only a recent phenomenon that everything is hosted by the vendor themselves.

Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by kergonath on Thursday February 10, 2022 @11:15AM (#30288308)
I think you’re right. Microsoft is perfectly able to split its operations. They’re doing it now in China in a much more drastic fashion, and they seem to have been preparing to do it in Europe for a few years now.
Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by nickpp on Thursday February 10, 2022 @12:58PM (#30290022)
The fact that US companies may need to treat Europe like China speaks volumes about the road the EU is headed on.
Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by ATsch on Thursday February 10, 2022 @01:35PM (#30290523)
Just that two ships are departing from a location does not mean they heading in the same direction.

It is true that both the EU and China are swiftly heading away from this unprecedented era of technology companies being able to act as they please abroad without impunity. It is an era that the US, which benefits from this arrangement greatly, understandably does not want to leave.

But what matters is why they are doing this, not that they are doing it. And in that regard it is much harder to find similarities.

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Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by ATsch on Thursday February 10, 2022 @02:07PM (#30290943)
"protectionism" is morally neutral to anyone except a hegemon. A nation can decide to protect itself from free expression and abolition of slavery just as it can protect itself from unsafe food imports and price dumping. It all depends on who is being protected from what.
Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by nickpp on Friday February 11, 2022 @02:23AM (#30298134)
You know exactly what kind of protectionism we are talking about here: economic protectionism. The kind that has to be employed by a decaying empire whose populist, anti-entrepreneurial, anti-business and anti-innovation policies led to it losing the high-tech race and now instead of working together for progress is walling itself off to dream of the memory of its lost glory.
Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by kergonath on Thursday February 10, 2022 @02:13PM (#30291013)
You will have a very hard time arguing that the EU is more protectionist than the US.
Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by kergonath on Thursday February 10, 2022 @02:09PM (#30290965)
It says quite a lot about American imperialism, actually. These developments were basically guaranteed the moment the CLOUD act passed, and after the adventures Microsoft had with the DoE.
Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by chaxor on Thursday February 10, 2022 @11:15AM (#30288307)
Or people get fed up with cloud companies like Google (already happening) and people realize self hosting is becoming more and more simple (also happening) to the point where anyone can do it. IPFS and other tooling could push a decent portion of users to this. We can already see some of that effect with things like mastadon.
Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by tyfon on Thursday February 10, 2022 @10:56AM (#30287982)
You can host this on-site :)

No need to go cloud everything. I think you can even buy the whole azure pack to run on-site.

Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by ajvs on Thursday February 10, 2022 @10:58AM (#30288014)
Do you genuinely think they're the only office products providers in the world?
Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by cyral on Thursday February 10, 2022 @11:51AM (#30288926)
No, do you think they were going to list every single office product? They said "Cloud services" which encompasses more than just those two.