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Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by MereInterest on Thursday February 10, 2022 @08:24AM (#30285630)
If you want to toss some static HTML into a host, go for it. If you want to record statistics on how many page hits you had, go for it. If you want to add JavaScript for interactions and making it look prettier, go for it.

But if you want to contribute to a privacy-violating network that tracks individual users, then that goes far beyond wanting "just to put up a website somewhere".

Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by true_religion on Thursday February 10, 2022 @08:55AM (#30285989)
Well, you can totally contribute to a privacy violating network … so long as the data is located and processed in France.

They are only tryin to keep their monopoly on government oversight which is reasonable for a governing body (our citizens = our control).

Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by pgeorgi on Thursday February 10, 2022 @09:48AM (#30286784)
> so long as the data is located and processed in France.

... you also have to ask for permission first.

The main difference is that for a data processor in France it seems possible to get all the right contracts in place, while a US based data processor is incapable of doing that thanks to FISA and similar US initiatives.

Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by Nextgrid on Thursday February 10, 2022 @09:57AM (#30286956)
> you can totally contribute to a privacy violating network … so long as the data is located and processed in France.

While that's not the issue being discussed here, you should by default only collect & process the minimum amount of data needed for the product/service to function. Analytics aren't part of that and would need to be opt-in.

Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by viro on Thursday February 10, 2022 @09:15AM (#30286238)
That's why this whole thing is nothing but protectionism.
Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by shadowgovt on Thursday February 10, 2022 @09:20AM (#30286303)
At this point, tossing some static text up with default apache configs runs afoul of GDPR opt-out and data-scrubbing requirements, IIUC.
Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by MereInterest on Thursday February 10, 2022 @01:40PM (#30290578)
I'd be interested to hear exactly what default configuration violates GDPR, as that wasn't something I'd heard before. However, even if that is the case, that would imply that the defaults should be changed.

Imagine that you run a workplace where floor space is relatively expensive. To avoid increasing the floor space, you determine exactly how wide each hallway must be, exactly how much space is required, and build everything to that specification. Your hiring decisions take the weight of an applicant into account, so that nobody will be too large for those hallways. Then a law comes along saying that your coal mine is dangerous, and your use of child labor is unethical. "But look at the cost!", you cry, "I can't afford to enlarge every tunnel to accommodate full-grown adults!" But there was no reason the tunnels couldn't have been built larger in the first place.

There was no reason why the web and the internet could not have chosen to respect privacy by default, and thereby avoid the current costs of changing their software and business models. If it is true that the default apache configurations violate privacy standards, just as any configuration of Google Analytics violates privacy standards, then that is a sign of just how much the regulation is needed.

Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by shadowgovt on Thursday February 10, 2022 @02:00PM (#30290861)
> I'd be interested to hear exactly what default configuration violates GDPR

https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/42438/do-default-apa...

It would appear public IP addresses are PII. Apache (and most web servers) log those by default.

A case can be made, on a site-by-site basis, that those are necessary for providing the functionality of the site. But that's a hard case to make if the logs are never actually read, and then if they're collected for that purpose, timely deletion is important (and unless your host also configures log rotation and disposal, timely deletion isn't happening).

I'm pretty sure all of this has to be declared in a privacy declaration anyway, even if they are collected for site operations purposes and deleted in a timely fashion. With all these constraints, probably safer to run in a privacy-configured Docker in one of the big Cloud hosts than to stand up one's own apache install.

Re:Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data p... by MereInterest on Thursday February 10, 2022 @07:56PM (#30295329)
Thank you, that was an aspect I hadn't considered. That said, I'm not sure how much I agree with the conclusion of this particular answer. My understanding is that IP addresses are only considered personal data if they either uniquely identify a person (e.g. a static IP address), or can be joined with additional available data to uniquely identify (e.g. a dynamic IP address logged by somebody who also has logs on the dynamic IP assignment).

In addition, that there is an exception allowing the collection of personal data for legitimate interests without prior consent. While that has been erroneously argued to enable a business model (e.g. Facebook's ongoing collection), server security by applying IP address bans would be be a more solid case [1].

[0] https://www.whitecase.com/publications/alert/court-confirms-...

[1] https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/28603/how-to-satisfy...