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Re:Early ‘lab-grown’ Covid virus found in sample lends weigh... by nicoburns on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @05:29PM (#30279489)
> This isn't some fringe crackpot theory - and it shouldn't ever have been treated as such.

I agree. I think it got labelled as crackpot because a lot of the early proponents were suggesting that it was leaked on purpose, which strays well into conspiracy theory territory.

Re:Early ‘lab-grown’ Covid virus found in sample lends weigh... by dnautics on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @05:34PM (#30279544)
You could say that but, based on some revealed communications it also feels (we can never truly know what was in their heads) like there was a concerted effort by denouncers of the lab leak theory to conflate lab leaks with purposeful leaks to discredit the lab leak theory.
Re:Early ‘lab-grown’ Covid virus found in sample lends weigh... by mrguyorama on Thursday February 10, 2022 @02:10PM (#30290972)
Plenty of people seem to still believe it was leaked on purpose. I don't understand why. It's right up there with the flat earth and chemtrails on the scale of to what end would they do that, and why wouldn't they do something more effective?
Re:Early ‘lab-grown’ Covid virus found in sample lends weigh... by tonguez on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @11:08PM (#30282358)
Your italics seem to be indicating an “appeal to incredulity”. But you don’t present any actual logical argument for why anyone should not believe it was leaked intentionally.
Re:Early ‘lab-grown’ Covid virus found in sample lends weigh... by timr on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @05:36PM (#30279580)
> I think it got labelled as crackpot because a lot of the early proponents were suggesting that it was leaked on purpose, which strays well into conspiracy theory territory.

Maybe, but the early communication allowed for no dissent:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

> The rapid, open, and transparent sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumours and misinformation around its origins. We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. Scientists from multiple countries have published and analysed genomes of the causative agent, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), and they overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife

> Conspiracy theories do nothing but create fear, rumours, and prejudice that jeopardise our global collaboration in the fight against this virus.

That's not ambiguous language. Pretty much a blatant slamming of the door on all non-natural theories of origin. Anything else was labeled "conspiracy" at a very early stage.

Re:Early ‘lab-grown’ Covid virus found in sample lends weigh... by ipaddr on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @05:42PM (#30279676)
I remember when it was racist to say it came from China and to wear a mask.
Re:Early ‘lab-grown’ Covid virus found in sample lends weigh... by yebyen on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @05:55PM (#30279858)
When it was racist to wear a mask? Have to admit that's a new one for me.
Re:Early ‘lab-grown’ Covid virus found in sample lends weigh... by johndfsgdgdfg on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @06:16PM (#30280126)
Not necessrily mask, but defenitely people brought of the question of "cleanliness", which might be very close to hand washing and mask wearing: https://www.vox.com/2020/2/7/21126758/coronavirus-xenophobia...
Re:Early ‘lab-grown’ Covid virus found in sample lends weigh... by MathCodeLove on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @05:58PM (#30279901)
There are still plenty of people who will accuse you of sinophobia if you dare acknowledge the ongoing genocide happening in China.
Re:Early ‘lab-grown’ Covid virus found in sample lends weigh... by tim333 on Thursday February 10, 2022 @05:18AM (#30284373)
A lot of what you mentioned was written by Peter Daszak who is one of the main suspects in terms of lab involvement in the origins. The closest wild strain to covid was found in Laos and there is no wildlife trade to Wuhan but Daszak's organisation seems to have been collecting samples there and shipping them to the Wuhan lab. And then when people say "what samples, lets see" you get stonewalling. Before having too much of a go at the Chinese we should subpoena and get the records from that lot (based in NY).