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Re:/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrifi... by rootusrootus on Monday February 07, 2022 @12:54PM (#30248407)
> I’m trying to say this with utmost respect. But $12k x 330M is $4T/year.

I don't disagree, it sounds infeasible. But it's such a massive stimulus that I think it's really hard to model the real outcome. I just think it's probably not accurate to try and model it using a single iteration of the current budget.

Ultimately I think we have to collectively decide whether or not our society can support a basic level of civilized existence for all members, or if there is a core requirement that some people are going to need to suffer so that a plurality will be able to live comfortably. Same for health care -- can we simply not afford for everyone to have a basic level of health care? Must someone else suffer so that I can get adequate care for myself and family?

UBI and things like it are just a means to that end.

Re:/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrifi... by prepend on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @09:13AM (#30272806)
No, it’s really easy to model. And all models show it as not feasible. Saying something is “hard to model” is not accurate in this situation.

It’s like saying “it’s hard to model how prepend will marry Katherine Hepburn.” It’s true, I suppose. But it’s true because that’s an impossible situation on many dimensions.

And again, it’s not about some suffering so others don’t (although I think that’s an unhealthy way of looking at it). Even if you take all money from all billionaires. Like every penny and they suffer. That doesn’t even support a simple UBI of only $13k/year. So there’s not a suffering model that works out. There’s no proposed taxation plan that would account for this.