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Re:/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrifi... by wing-_-nuts on Monday February 07, 2022 @11:46AM (#30247330)
You cut most of our bureaucratic social safety net (food stamps, disability, social security, etc) and replace it with a system where everyone gets enough for the bare basics. If you were smart, you'd fund it with a carbon tax.

In all honesty I don't see UBI becoming a thing until we start automating ourselves into unemployment. People say this would increase inflation. Maybe. Let's trial it with 1% of the population and find out.

Re:/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrifi... by isbvhodnvemrwvn on Monday February 07, 2022 @12:06PM (#30247671)
That's a tad bit insane - disabled people won't be able to find jobs, whether you want it or not. You are pushing them deeper in poverty by giving them the same amount of money as you give to someone who chooses not to work.
Re:/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrifi... by wing-_-nuts on Monday February 07, 2022 @03:04PM (#30250233)
Well I think for ubi to accomplish its goals you'd have to index it to the federal poverty line. I used to be on disability and let me tell you, the FPL would have been a drastic improvement. People really don't understand how little someone on disability makes. It was not enough for me to live a remotely dignified life even in a very low cost of living area.
Re:/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrifi... by b3morales on Monday February 07, 2022 @12:15PM (#30247806)
Continuing to have additional assistance for people who need more is not ruled out by what parent said.
Re:/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrifi... by zeepzeep on Monday February 07, 2022 @12:03PM (#30247621)
> until we start automating ourselves into unemployment

Still waiting for steam engines to replace human labour...

Re:/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrifi... by wing-_-nuts on Monday February 07, 2022 @03:07PM (#30250270)
John Henry would have a word.
Re:/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrifi... by nameisname on Monday February 07, 2022 @12:33PM (#30248102)
There will still be those who spend all their UBI on drugs or whatever and have nowhere to stay. Do we just let them die on the street since there's no more social safety nets?
Re:/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrifi... by wing-_-nuts on Monday February 07, 2022 @03:20PM (#30250436)
There are those that do so today. Given we have no real mental health facilities, those people simply wind up in jail on drug possession charges. It's inhumane, yeah, but I don't think replacing things with UBI would make it more so. Maybe one of these days we'll actually get our act together to help those that need it most.
Re:/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrifi... by GameOfFrowns on Monday February 07, 2022 @01:15PM (#30248757)
I assume with more 'normal' people being liberated from the yoke of work there might be more volunteers and volunteer initiatives to help those in need out. The question is how much of the self-destructive behaviour if a product of a 'sick' society where mental health treatment seems prohibited by the cost.
Re:/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrifi... by tomrod on Monday February 07, 2022 @11:49AM (#30247393)
> In all honesty I don't see UBI becoming a thing until we start automating ourselves into unemployment.

From a political stability perspective, I expect this would be wise to get in front of.

Re:/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrifi... by kaibee on Monday February 07, 2022 @12:05PM (#30247653)
From a political perspective, it is easier to profit (in terms of political capital or actual capital) from a crisis than it is to prevent it. If you prevent it, then you've spent a lot of capital all for most people to say "well, nothing even happened!". It is a sad state of affairs.