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Re:J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Re... by pas on Sunday February 06, 2022 @03:07PM (#30236452)
Not for any vaccines. In case of covid ones the waiver was to get the vaccine fast. But it didn't mean anything goes, no oversight.

It makes sense in a pandemic to have a fast rollout with continuous monitoring instead of the usual wait for the courts, usually wait for enough cases to have a class action, wait for the certification of that, etc.

Not to mention the anti vax nutjobs screaming about experimential vaccines being experimential. (Which is meaningless, because even if it is it might be a lot more safe than something that's old, boring but did not get this much scrutiny.)

Oh and baby bottom redness is not infectious and as far as we know did not kill anyone.

Re:J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Re... by thenaterator on Sunday February 06, 2022 @03:43PM (#30236781)
> anti vax nutjobs

This phrase is often used to malign those with a different understanding or opinion. Most people who question the efficacy and safety profile of the experimental Covid vaccines are neither anti vaccine nor nutjobs.

> Oh and baby bottom redness is not infectious and as far as we know did not kill anyone.

The talc powder lawsuits are because it is suspected or causing cancer. Yes, they made something with long term side effects. Which is why some are concerned about the rushed implementation of Covid vaccine mandates.

Re:J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Re... by ls15 on Sunday February 06, 2022 @05:18PM (#30237586)
Labeling people who disagree with insults in order to ridicule them is a a logical fallacy, a sign of intolerance and of poor discussion culture in my opinion.

Typically because of anger and lack of rational arguments, I assume.

Re:J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Re... by pas on Monday February 07, 2022 @06:22PM (#30252929)
> Which is why some are concerned about the rushed implementation of Covid vaccine mandates.

Totally understandable. Accountability is very important. Concern is .. meh. If people have concern ask the FDA & CDC & Pfizer/Moderna. Get informed. If the answer from the FDA et al. is not satisfying, ask again, reach for the usual tools, FOIA, etc. Get the data for the clinical trials, check them. Get the data from VAERS, and so on. (Just with Ivermectin there's plenty of things to look at, get to the bottom, maybe even form an explanation of the data: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-t... ... and in the end it's possible to be still not 100% convinced.)

But "oh it's rushed, I'm concerned" or "it's experimental" is about as valid as "oh my head hurts, it's because of those damn Wifi towers / windmills / transmission lines!". Countrywide health/energy/communications policy should not be made because propaganda induced mass hysteria.

See also rock music and DnD and souls of kids.

Maybe the right question to ask is "why it takes so long otherwise?".