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Re:Delta CEO wants U.S. to put unruly passengers on 'no-fly'... by ls15 on Sunday February 06, 2022 @07:27AM (#30231916)
> You seem to be genuinely surprised (horrified?) by the fact that there are such cases. Why is this so?

I am not horrified by the fact that vaccines do not prevent (and only slow) the spread of the virus, because as you said, that was always to be expected, but by the fact that people are trying to implement mandates on such a weak basis, while ignoring all the social fallout that comes with such mandates.

> The CDC director's comments are not misinformation, but your misrepresentation of those comments could probably be classified as such

"could probably be classified". So you acknowledge that you falsely accused me of spreading misinformation. Thank you for the discussion.

Re:Delta CEO wants U.S. to put unruly passengers on 'no-fly'... by mpweiher on Sunday February 06, 2022 @11:11AM (#30233808)
> [..] vaccines do not prevent (and only slow) the spread of the virus, because as you said, that was always to be expected

They "slow" the spread of the virus by preventing infections. A breakthrough infection is not a slower infection, it is an infection that happens at the same speed (in fact, a little faster overall because it subsides more quickly). All the slowdown is via infections that do not happen, and were thus prevented.

> So you acknowledge that you falsely accused me of spreading misinformation.

Not in the least bit. You were definitely spreading misinformation earlier, all over this thread to be precise. Your misrepresentation of the CDC director's comments is a slightly less clear cut case, because you might reasonably claim to have just misunderstood her, but the other cases are pretty crystal.

Re:Delta CEO wants U.S. to put unruly passengers on 'no-fly'... by ls15 on Sunday February 06, 2022 @02:44PM (#30236201)
> They "slow" the spread of the virus by preventing infections. A breakthrough infection is not a slower infection, it is an infection that happens at the same speed (in fact, a little faster overall because it subsides more quickly). All the slowdown is via infections that do not happen, and were thus prevented.

Slowdown != prevention. You will just be exposed a bit later on average, but the spread still happens, just slower.

    SARS-CoV-2 vaccines prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2.
Is a lie.

    SARS-CoV-2 vaccines do not prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2.
Is a true statement. The one that you chose to attack for some reason that only you know.

Feel free to move the goalpost again. Or, you know... just accept the truth.

Re:Delta CEO wants U.S. to put unruly passengers on 'no-fly'... by mpweiher on Monday February 07, 2022 @01:42AM (#30241160)
The only one moving the goalposts here is you.

You have acknowledged that the vaccines prevent transmission, because that is how they slow the overall spread. You have acknowledged that it was always known that they do not prevent infections at 100% efficacy.

Your word games in constantly switching around individual and global definitions of "prevent", "spread" etc. are of no interest to me.

Bye.

Re:Delta CEO wants U.S. to put unruly passengers on 'no-fly'... by ls15 on Monday February 07, 2022 @04:47AM (#30242479)
SARS-CoV-2 vaccines do not prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2. Not globally and even not individually.

Bye

Re:Delta CEO wants U.S. to put unruly passengers on 'no-fly'... by mpweiher on Monday February 07, 2022 @09:12AM (#30245077)
Stop spreading misinformation.
Re:Delta CEO wants U.S. to put unruly passengers on 'no-fly'... by ls15 on Monday February 07, 2022 @01:31PM (#30248970)
Every country, every city, every street and every house. Even at 100% vaccination rate. There is no point in denying that.