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Re:Satellite finds methane leaks from gas pipelines by throwaway22032 on Friday February 04, 2022 @03:31PM (#30212662)
I don't think it's merely _hard_, I think it's fundamentally impossible for us to do it without technological advancement or at least greater application of existing technology.

I don't think that 7 billion people can live net zero without us building loads more solar panels, nuclear plants, changing a bunch of industrial processes, etc.

These are things that individuals literally cannot do. Even trivial things like - I can't buy a net zero fork to eat my dinner with. I mean, I'm sure one or two things I could, but at the scale of my entire life it would become a full time job.

I guess I could start a co2 capture company, that is actually feasibly possible. But I don't think that's what people are getting at with the personal responsibility stuff. It's all - "which brand of tape are you using to fix the leak in your roof?"

Re:Satellite finds methane leaks from gas pipelines by bumby on Friday February 04, 2022 @03:51PM (#30213009)
>I can't buy a net zero fork to eat my dinner with.

I mean, one argument is that removing yourself from the demand side and using a fork that already exists is essentially net zero. Is buying an EV really helping when it displaces a perfectly functional car? Or is it just sustainable theater? I'm sure there's a balance somewhere, but probably not near our current lifestyle in the west. Net zero is a lot harder when you have an economy predicated on the constant churn of consumerism.

Re:Satellite finds methane leaks from gas pipelines by throwaway22032 on Friday February 04, 2022 @03:56PM (#30213066)
I agree that consumerism is bollocks and is something we could easily get rid of whilst generally increasing our happiness.

Sure, so that works for a fork. And yeah, we can probably do it for all of the forks, so that's scalable.

How about rice? Laundry liquid? Humour me - surely you can think of things we use all of the time that are not possible to make net zero at present?

I mean, I can't even get off the gas in my boiler without putting in a heat pump that uses carbon to produce and maintain and repair. Even that one isn't fixed!

Re:Satellite finds methane leaks from gas pipelines by bumby on Friday February 04, 2022 @05:20PM (#30214166)
Yes, that's precisely the point. Save it for the items that really bring value to our lives. The reason we're so dependent on technology to help is because we dug a hole by doing the opposite.

And I'm not equivocating that it's easy. Your heat pump analogy is the perfect example where life-cycle effects should come into play. I think it would be very interesting to see a study of something like comparing a new EV with the impact of maintaining an older ICE car. I suspect a lot of EV purchases are about status veiled in sustainability.

I want energy to be spent on big impact things like healthcare and food and sanitation. But considering ~60-70% of the economy is based on consumerism there's a lot of room to improve