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Re:Satellite finds methane leaks from gas pipelines by wolverine876 on Friday February 04, 2022 @01:06PM (#30210339)
> In order to consume good, I must purchase good from company. I have no say in how good was produced.

You can buy from a different company, or a subsitute good, or not buy it. We aren't powerless at all. Companies live and die by consumer purchasing decisions.

> The goal is to align incentives such that companies can produce goods without destroying the planet. The goods themselves are not the issue.

It depends on the goods. Some can't be produced without destroying the planet.

Re:Satellite finds methane leaks from gas pipelines by dibujante on Friday February 04, 2022 @01:53PM (#30211243)
Yep! Just buy from a non-emitting company. They wouldn't lie to you and claim to be non-emitting, because that would be mean.
Re:Satellite finds methane leaks from gas pipelines by wolverine876 on Saturday February 05, 2022 @01:40AM (#30218437)
> They wouldn't lie to you and claim to be non-emitting

I don't understand: Everyone is always lying? You have no power to identify the truth and act on it?

Re:Satellite finds methane leaks from gas pipelines by dibujante on Sunday February 06, 2022 @07:51PM (#30238773)
How would you verify a company's emissions? With your monitoring satellite? Otherwise, it's their word against your inability to verify anything.
Re:Satellite finds methane leaks from gas pipelines by jrgoff on Friday February 04, 2022 @02:00PM (#30211334)
It is not feasible for consumers to be informed at that level about all of the goods they consume and for most of us there I doubt there is a practical way to be informed about these sorts of things for most products even if we were to try. Furthermore, even if we were informed for a particular product there may be no better behaved alternatives in the marketplace for something we consider to be a necessity.
Re:Satellite finds methane leaks from gas pipelines by wolverine876 on Saturday February 05, 2022 @01:43AM (#30218456)
> It is not feasible for consumers to be informed at that level about all of the goods they consume

Nobody said "all", we don't have to live in a world of perfection and extremes. We can buy electric cars, use renewable energy.

> even if we were informed for a particular product there may be no better behaved alternatives in the marketplace for something we consider to be a necessity.

Things might not turn out well if you try something, so don't try? How do someone get out of bed in the morning on that basis?

Your point is that you are absolutely powerless to do anything? It's obviously false, but why is that important to you?

Re:Satellite finds methane leaks from gas pipelines by keymone on Friday February 04, 2022 @02:39PM (#30211861)
Yes, that is exactly what the “personal carbon footprint” propaganda wants you to believe. Majority of the planet is close to living in poverty, majority don’t have the luxury to go for the more expensive option because of their love of the environment.
Re:Satellite finds methane leaks from gas pipelines by wolverine876 on Saturday February 05, 2022 @01:47AM (#30218479)
> Majority of the planet is close to living in poverty

Who said anything about the majority? And that's certainly not the demographic of HN, or the people creating most of the carbon footprint.

Also, by advanced economy standards, most of the world is deep in poverty.

> majority don’t have the luxury to go for the more expensive option because of their love of the environment.

It's not luxury and love, but necessity, responsibility, and survival. The impovrished people will suffer the most. Also, the options aren't necessarily more expensive, and are generally much cheaper if you account for the costs of climate change.

Re:Satellite finds methane leaks from gas pipelines by keymone on Saturday February 05, 2022 @04:05AM (#30219287)
> if you account for the costs of climate change.

either you were led to believe it's only personal responsibility of direct consumers to account for the costs of climate change, or you were paid to propagandize that claim.

if first - you're wrong, if second - i'll leave it unsaid.