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Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by thebean11 on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:32AM (#30208991)
I think we are coming at it from different directions. You need tracking for personalized ads, you don't need personalized ads for tracking.
Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by brimble on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:49AM (#30209230)
Sort of. Again, it's possible to personalize ads without tracking, unless tracking means "collecting literally any data, including order history for a logged-in user" or things like selecting ads based on geography for an address that you provided, not even GPS tracking or something like that.

It is entirely possible that the settings do totally different things, so the different language isn't some kind of trick. I think it's likely that picking either of those phrases and using it for both would result in the description of the respective settings being less accurate.

Swap the one that applies to applications to "disable personalized ads", rather than "disable tracking".

But it doesn't do that—does it? It disables (a certain kind of) tracking. The tracking may not even be used for ads. Apple has no way to guarantee that. You may still see personalized ads based on other data.

Make the Apple one "disable tracking" rather than "disable personalized ads". But the setting might not do that at all, while still disabling personalization. In fact, the ad personalization may not have been based on tracking in the first place, and even if it were, disabling personalization could very well leave the tracking in place.

The accusation was that Apple's describing the same thing two ways to give themselves an advantage, but I'd say the settings very likely do not do the same thing.

Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by shuckles on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:46AM (#30209193)
No you don’t need tracking for personalized ads. Apple defines tracking as sharing information about the user between distinct 3rd parties, while it personalizes ads based on your behavior within Apple’s own services.
Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by brimble on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:57AM (#30209338)
Right. Consider:

>>>

What do you do for a living?

"I track animals."

Oh, cool, like you're a hunter or in animal control or something? Trekking all over the wilds, keen eye for detail, grand adventures, lots of mud and amazing stories?

"No, I manage a zoo. I track the zoo animals in a spreadsheet. I sit in an office."

>>>

AFAIK Apple means the hunting kind, when they write "tracking". As in following a user around and watching them while they use services & apps that you don't operate.