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Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by scarface74 on Friday February 04, 2022 @10:13AM (#30207722)
So let’s say I’m in CA voting for my two Senators. How much does my vote actually count when 10 other states combined have the same population but 20 Senators?

How much does my vote count even for representatives if I’m in a state that’s heavily gerrymandered?

Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by ameister14 on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:03AM (#30208533)
If you're in a district that is heavily gerrymandered, your vote may actually be more important.

Still, the best proportional representation for you is local. So mayor, state rep, governor.

Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by scarface74 on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:20AM (#30208804)
How do you propose the mayor legislate BigTech? Even on the state level, gerrymandering effects representation. Most of the population in GA (where I live), Florida, and Texas don’t support the state laws. Those three states are passing all kinds of laws to make it harder for people to vote. Especially after the “stolen election” that saw GA turn blue.

And before the whataboutism replies start, I’m sure the same happens on the other side. I just know more about my own state.

Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by barsonme on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:15AM (#30208710)
The allocation of Senators isn’t supposed to be proportionate to state population by design. It’s a non-issue.

Proportional representation occurs in the House.

Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by FactolSarin on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:42AM (#30209140)
Just because it was done by design doesn't mean it's a non-issue. The Senate is an extremely undemocratic organization. The population discrepancy between States is much higher now than when the country was founded.

Nor do the reasons the founders did it this way exist anymore.

Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by wbsss4412 on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:56AM (#30209327)
People confuse the arguments made out of political expediency for political gospel.

Even though many points made about the constitution were rooted in political theory, and make good sense even today, that doesn’t change the fact that the people involved were politicians who were looking to make the best deal possible within the context of a rapidly failing state under the articles of confederation.

Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by scarface74 on Friday February 04, 2022 @12:58PM (#30210218)
See also - slaves being counted as 3/5ths of a person…
Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by wbsss4412 on Friday February 04, 2022 @01:04PM (#30210308)
The irony is that always gets brought up as though it was actually meant to represent the value of the slave’s humanity.

The large slaveholding states actually wanted 5/5ths whereas states will small slave populations wanted 0/5ths. Slaves couldn’t vote, their interests were ancillary to the whole discussion. The compromise was about pure political power for those that dominated them.

The repeal of the 3/5ths clause along with the subsequent legal restrictions and terrorism against the black population of the south that followed, gave the south more power, and subsequently made it harder to dislodge Jim Crow.

But your point is still very valid. Somehow people are comfortable compartmentalizing the notion that the constitution is/was perfect, except for that one part that somehow doesn’t count and was “inevitably doomed” anyways.

Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by pnutjam on Saturday February 05, 2022 @05:40PM (#30227034)
Fun fact, the 14th amendment would have never passed if the South had not seceded.
Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by barsonme on Sunday February 06, 2022 @12:55PM (#30234966)
> The population discrepancy between States is much higher now than when the country was founded.

This is exactly why the Senate was designed this way.

> Nor do the reasons the founders did it this way exist anymore.

Federalism still exists even if you don’t see it.

Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by wbsss4412 on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:40AM (#30209099)
Simply because something was designed a certain way 250 years ago, doesn’t mean it’s a non issue.

The political problem they were trying to solve at the time (balancing the interests of independent sovereign political entities with respect to land claims and future political power) doesn’t necessarily map onto the problems we have today.

Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by scarface74 on Friday February 04, 2022 @12:40PM (#30209960)
Proportional representation also doesn’t occur in the house because of gerrymandering.

https://www.fairvote.org/votes_vs_seats_in_the_people_s_hous...

Re:Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B by barsonme on Sunday February 06, 2022 @12:55PM (#30234976)
Sounds like the problem here is gerrymandering not the Senate.