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Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by endisneigh on Friday February 04, 2022 @08:47AM (#30206692)
> Engineers have an average tenure of 1.8 years. You can’t guarantee you’ll hold together anything. No manager PIPs someone for just being TOO good. It’s already difficult enough to find competent people.

Source?

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Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by ctvo on Friday February 04, 2022 @08:51AM (#30206732)
This is a secondary source: https://buffer.com/resources/employee-tenure/#employeetenure...

The original source from Paysa seems to be down (the entire site looks down).

Edit: It's all employees, not just engineers, but I don't think engineers would differ too much.

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Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by endisneigh on Friday February 04, 2022 @09:08AM (#30206907)
5 years old, not just engineers, and doesn't contradict PIPs happening a lot. A PIP control isn't going to affect the median a ton, but can still be problematic.
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Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by ctvo on Friday February 04, 2022 @09:15AM (#30206967)
Are you saying this number is significantly different now for engineers? As in average tenure has increased?

The original point was tenure is short, and no manager can guarantee that their “core” team will remain together, for any number of reasons. So letting go a “too good” engineer to keep this team together makes little sense not that PIP isn’t happening.

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