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Re:How the World Went from Post-Politics to Hyper-Politics by igammarays on Friday February 04, 2022 @05:05AM (#30204882)
Yep, and the corollary effect of living in a non-democratic country is that the political discourse is far more intelligent, because they're NOT trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Over the past few years I learned Russian and started watching Russian/Ukrainian popular TV and following political writers on all ends of the spectrum. Yes the media environment in Russia is far more authoritarian. But like a tightly-knit academic community, it is also far more intelligent. The nuance and the depth of discourse found on the average popular Russian political talk show (even state channels like Russia 1) is far beyond anything I have ever seen in America, with the exception of some independent podcasters and niche communities like Hacker News and academic think tanks. And the Russian elite lament this[1] because they cannot engage their American counterparts as peers, everything has to be rewritten in the language of CNN/Fox even during high-level state negotiations.

[1] https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/01/20/anthony-blinken-and-t...

Re:How the World Went from Post-Politics to Hyper-Politics by zozbot234 on Friday February 04, 2022 @06:45AM (#30205577)
You know that the U.S. too (and the West more generally, of course) has "tightly-knit academic communities" to discuss things such as the concerns that might come up in high-level state negotiations? In fact, the broad community of "open source intelligence" almost invariably has a markedly better handle on those issues than high-profile parts of USG that ought to theoretically benefit from secrecy and non-public info - despite common claims to the contrary!
Re:How the World Went from Post-Politics to Hyper-Politics by smugglerFlynn on Friday February 04, 2022 @07:26AM (#30205907)
More intelligent does not mean more correct. The way I read OP is that level of discussion among mass population seems to be more intelligent.

In my opinion, even if this hypothesis is correct, these ‘more intelligent’ discussions try to build upon inherently two-dimensional authoritarian picture, with carefully controlled inputs. Results of these discussions have very little touch with actual reality. It’s like existing in parallel reality.

Re:How the World Went from Post-Politics to Hyper-Politics by igammarays on Friday February 04, 2022 @07:16AM (#30205825)
Yes exactly, that was my point. High quality political analysis is niche in the US, but it is more mainstream in Russia.
Re:How the World Went from Post-Politics to Hyper-Politics by ZeroGravitas on Friday February 04, 2022 @07:21AM (#30205852)
I work on the theory that Fox News is a result of lack of democracy in the USA.

To give one example, the common complaints about the coastal elites and metropolitans. Its harder to get away with that if you have a democratic system that counts peoples votes since those groups include a lot of people.

By your theory, the political conversation should be worst in the countries ranked most democratic, which I don't feel fits the facts as well as the opposite.

https://www.eiu.com/n/campaigns/democracy-index-2020/

Re:How the World Went from Post-Politics to Hyper-Politics by igammarays on Friday February 04, 2022 @07:38AM (#30206023)
> By your theory, the political conversation should be worst in the countries ranked most democratic, which I don't feel fits the facts as well as the opposite.

I didn't say the political discourse was "worse", I said it appeals to the lowest common denominator. The crowds are finicky and have a short attention span, but sometimes they may happen to be correct. And sometimes they're not.

Re:How the World Went from Post-Politics to Hyper-Politics by ZeroGravitas on Friday February 04, 2022 @02:04PM (#30211384)
Right, so the political discussion in New Zealand, Sweden etc. appeals to the lowest common denominator even more, because they are more democratic than the US? I don't think that's true.
Re:How the World Went from Post-Politics to Hyper-Politics by pfraze on Friday February 04, 2022 @09:15AM (#30206970)
Yeah, I don’t buy it. I especially don’t buy that link. Blaming American’s concerns about an invasion of Ukraine on a lack of intellectualism is embarrassingly weak tea.
Re:How the World Went from Post-Politics to Hyper-Politics by igammarays on Friday February 04, 2022 @09:31AM (#30207152)
Lack of intellectualism in the American political discourse is a common refrain even among the American left, not to mention the rest of the world, after becoming the laughing stock of the world during the Trump era. Of course this does not mean that American soft power was decreasing, Tyler Cowen (the right-leaning writer at Marginal Revolution) would argue exactly the opposite, but still, intellectualism being relegated to the sidelines and niche communities is a serious concern.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-19/woke-m...

Re:How the World Went from Post-Politics to Hyper-Politics by modo_mario on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:05AM (#30208576)
Why does the author pull up Nord stream2 as important to the German economy considering there is no need for increased capacity only a Russian incentive to take away the cards of Ukraine and such?

Other than that the author makes a boatload of assumptions. South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea, Nagarno karabakh, etc in recent memory but somehow he believes the Americans would not consider anything close based on this conjecture?

Re:How the World Went from Post-Politics to Hyper-Politics by airstrike on Friday February 04, 2022 @05:46AM (#30205167)
I mean, leaving propaganda issues aside for a moment, you still have a sample size of two. I'm not sure that qualifies as data.
Re:How the World Went from Post-Politics to Hyper-Politics by pseudalopex on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:43AM (#30209150)
I don't think Russian state TV insulting past and present NATO and US leaders proves nuance, depth, or belief.