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Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by codingkev on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:13PM (#30185570)
Facebook is dying slowly in the developed world, that is true. However it is still growing in emerging markets. And most importantly: FB is still generating tons of cash to fund the other assets.

WhatsApp has basically zero monetization right now but billions of users. Huge potential cash cow.

Instagram still has a ton of potential for further optimized monetization. Think fully embedded 1-click buying for things like fashion, gadgets, accessories. They could take a decent cut of Shopifys business if executed right.

Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by cobookman on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:23PM (#30185712)
The emerging markets *currently* do not have as large of revenue potential for advertising as the western markets.

Meta made in Q4-2020 53.56B in ad rev in the US and Canada. Meta only made 4.05B in Asia Pacific in Q4-2020.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251328/facebooks-average...

Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by BbzzbB on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:55PM (#30196905)
Emerging markets still shown slightly north of 30% YoY ARPU growth. Combine this with a larger user base (7x NA's, 5x EU's) and it remains an important lever, one to potentially outgrow NA's + EU's share of revenue. They in fact, lumped together, earn more than EU, and is not even one doubling of ARPU (proportionally) away of outgrowing NA. If the trends remain in like 5 years AP + RoW will be their core business.
Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by aylmao on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @09:34PM (#30187748)
I largely agree with you, though I'm also rather skeptical.

> Facebook is dying slowly in the developed world, that is true. However it is still growing in emerging markets.

+1, though this is a slow and not necessarily viable bet. Meta makes about 12x more revenue from their USA/Canada ($52/Q) users than their Asia-Pacific users for example ($4.3/Q).

Market share in the USA is extremely valuable, not only for Meta, but for a lot of companies. Apple for example sits at a $3 trillion market cap in spite of Android dominating the global mobile market because iOS captures not the most users, but the most valuable.

> WhatsApp has basically zero monetization right now but billions of users. Huge potential cash cow.

I agree with this. I think there's a lot of potential in WhatsApp, though I also see two shortcomings with betting too much on it:

- WhatsApp is largely used in countries where users are harder to monetize. As stated above, user count matters, but it's not the only factor when it comes to generating revenue.

- Messaging is very competitive. A change in WhatsApp's TOS was widely reported to have triggered millions of new user sign ups on Telegram and Signal after just a few weeks [1]. I don't how accurate or overblown this correlation might be, but I do know anecdotally I text people through many different apps, and have switched the primary app I used to text different people multiple times in the last few years.

> Instagram still has a ton of potential for further optimized monetization.

I think this is still the most straight-forward path to increasing revenue Meta has, and I imagine they're trying to make sure it doesn't fade away like Facebook is.

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jan/24/whatsapp-...

Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by ElectronShak on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:24PM (#30185721)
I feel like if instagram were to be driven further in the monetisation direction, we would no-longer have instagram, so someone else could innovate around photos, and take the still photo market.

I feel like instagram is no longer an actual photo sharing app, just a place where high profile users promote stuff to their followers.

Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by codingkev on Friday February 04, 2022 @05:13PM (#30214079)
The last paragraph hits hard, very true.
Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by dahdum on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:24PM (#30185734)
I think maybe they banked too heavily on getting their crypto Libra/Diem going in order to power monetization of WhatsApp/Instagram. It could have been as slick as Weixin/WeChat pay and dominate the cross currency remittance market.
Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by spookthesunset on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:48PM (#30186074)
Except crypto is a pump and dump scam and most people know that. It was obvious from the start that libra was a “fellow kids” attempt to capitalize on the blockchain hype.
Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by dahdum on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @08:05PM (#30186933)
I disagree, Libra had absolutely massive potential with Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp behind it. Stabilized by multiple fiat currencies it would hold value well, and it could power a global Venmo (via WhatsApp), capture a large portion of the entire remittance market, simplify e-commerce payments, and maybe even support micro transactions at scale. I’m sure I’m missing other large benefits.

The West is mostly so far behind on payment processing it’s a joke. Stripe charges 2.9% + $0.30 while WeChat Pay is 0.6% and Alipay .55%.

Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by spookthesunset on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @08:44PM (#30187282)
What the hell would be it’s point? Why would it need Satoshi’s Holy Blockchain? Nobody in the mainstream consumer space wants an irreversible cryptocurrency.

Why not just use a database?

FB picking up Libra is just another loop in the blockchain’s solution in search of a problem.

Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by aylmao on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @10:04PM (#30188002)
+1, though I imagine the motivation was probably skipping regulation related to handling international payments or something along that line. Riding the blockchain hype couldn't have hurt too (until it did, I guess).
Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by dahdum on Thursday February 03, 2022 @06:17AM (#30191079)
> Nobody in the mainstream consumer space wants an irreversible cryptocurrency.

Venmo and Zelle are both irreversible and mainstream but can't be used globally.

Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by notyourwork on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:19PM (#30185637)
Sounds a lot like smoking cigarettes. Phasing out of the developed world and not the business is shifting to the innocent to milk the cow.
Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by Waterluvian on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:24PM (#30185726)
I don’t doubt there are a lot of users in developing markets. Is there much money?
Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by donsupreme on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:22PM (#30185695)
relying emerging markets in developing countries has a lot of inherent risk. For one they have to comply to the local data collection laws or risk being censored or banned outright. Developing nations either see FB as a tool to surveil or a foe to restrict information.
Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by kodemager on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:51PM (#30186103)
> if executed right

I think this right there is the biggest issue for the companies that sell consumer data. Google has had so many golden eggs, office365 before Microsoft, the cloud infrastructure before AWS and so on, and they keep fumbling the ball because their organisation is geared toward a very different form of sales.

The fact that Instagram didn’t become an Etsy styled platform for artists when it was the main platform for sharing semi-professional “hobby” work should tell you everything you need to know about how little Facebook understands markets that aren’t selling privacy data. Because even if they opened up now that ship has sailed as less and less people who produce things rely on Instagram as a platform because the younger audiences aren’t there.

Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by umanwizard on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @07:52PM (#30186819)
Facebook doesn’t sell consumer data. They sell ads which they target using consumer data. Not at all the same thing.
Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by hw on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @11:20PM (#30188617)
Which begs the question - why not focus efforts on those, rather than bet the company on an unknown like the Metaverse? Is Meta getting too distracted?
Re:Meta shares drop 20% on Q4 earnings miss, weak outlook by nabla9 on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @07:54PM (#30186846)
No. Facebook lost users globally for the first time in its history. This is probably the biggest take. Facebook has peaked.