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Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by jlmorton on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @04:54PM (#30184594)
> This is the company that decided to have its cars not stop at stop signs. Normal rules don't apply to Tesla.

It's a driving profile which must be turned on that implements behavior extremely common among the driving public. My Honda with Traffic Sign Recognition and adaptive cruise control lets me set the speed above the speed limit, too.

Our traffic laws are in many ways ambiguous, such that even the police officers enforcing the laws will readily admit you're allowed to drive above the posted speed limit. When traffic rules are interpreted ambiguously, it's not that strange for a driving profile to do the same.

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Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @05:38PM (#30185112)
The driving public knows when it can't take such calculated risks. Does the ML classifier know what it isn't seeing?
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Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by jlmorton on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:07PM (#30185501)
I think there are two arguments here: legality, and actual safety. I would argue that the slow rolling stop is perfectly safe in all cases, but the law exists as it is only to reduce ambiguity for enforcement. It's not a calculated risk - there is no circumstance where it's unsafe.
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Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by OsmMapper on Thursday February 03, 2022 @05:14AM (#30190725)
In the UK stop signs are rarely used, they are in places where visibility is so poor approaching the junction that it wouldn't be safe not to stop.

There are definitely places where it isn't safe to roll through a stop sign, unfortunately in the US the system uses stop signs as a kind of traffic calming measure so then there isn't a clear way to mark the places where stopping is absolutely needed for safety. Of course in theory drivers should be able to notice the lack of visibility and drive accordingly but in practice the hazards can be somewhat subtle and many drivers have poor judgement.

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Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by foxfluff on Thursday February 03, 2022 @06:35AM (#30191202)
Given your nick, do you happen to know of a map where stop signs are plotted? I can't think of a single stop sign in my city..
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Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:28PM (#30185775)
It is definitely unsafe to enter an intersection where visibility is compromised by an obstruction, hill, or curve. Rolling such stops is dumb even when you don't see anything to stop for.
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Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by ClumsyPilot on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @11:42PM (#30188783)
> there is no circumstance where it's unsafe.

Famous last words

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