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Re:The web starts on page four by hinkley on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @12:49PM (#30181105)
PageRank worked when humans were creating content across a huge number of sites. Once you start consolidating the humans (Medium), then the organic content and the machine generated content start to blur together. And the machine sites can collude to make their content look more organic than organic. Today there's 10x as much of it so if only 20% of the organic content is high quality, that's practically in the noise floor for the sorts of graphs I stare at in any given week.

Perhaps what's missing here is a garbage collection algorithm. Whatever they are using as 'roots' is not working, and they can no longer infer trust by association. They need to curate and review sites. Or maybe they already do, but the humans' focus is directed by heuristics and those heuristics have been gamed.

Does anyone know if Google still has a functioning QA department? Perhaps this is the same disease we see everywhere of developers thinking they understand testing when really we know just enough to be dangerous.

Re:The web starts on page four by onion2k on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @05:27PM (#30184981)
PageRank worked when humans were creating content across a huge number of sites.

PageRank worked when there was very little tangible value besides vanity in being number one for a particular search term, and when there was little competition between sites. Once SEO became a key strategy to growing a business PageRank had to shift from finding the most relevant results to removing the things that were pretending to be relevant results. That challenge is much harder.

I contend that practically every update to Google Search over the past 15 years has been to try to defeat SEO spam. There doesn't appear to be anything else. And, unfortunately for all of us, it's a battle Google are not winning.

Re:The web starts on page four by xp84 on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @07:49PM (#30186785)
> Google are not winning.

Even worse, they are completely disincentivised to do anything about it, since presently the ads occupy most or all of the real estate most users see anyway. Buying ads to show up in that section so you aren't drowned out by spam is exactly what benefits GOOG's shareholders. And I say this as a GOOG shareholder, lol.

I've come to believe that the organic results are a niche product that Google could eliminate tomorrow and most consumers wouldn't really realize anything had changed. They'll go to the first result 99% of the time, and 99% of the time that's an ad.

Re:The web starts on page four by stevenicr on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @09:10PM (#30187539)
I agree and disagree. From my view it's like they went mole hunting with a bazooka - and kept making better bazookas. The collateral damage is that many good sites were taken out, or downgraded.

They got a lot of bad sites, but they got rid of a lot of good ones too.

Now google is the modern yellow pages imho. It's more shallow than ever, but it's okay for many, and they can shake down legit sites for adwords to show up.

Totally agree with the main article, sadly however it's like what, 90% of people never go past the first page? And many still assume the top ads are vetted results that are better than all the rest.

Looking forward to leaving google as the yellow pages and encouraging more niche search engines, web rings, and similar.

Re:The web starts on page four by hinkley on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @07:13PM (#30186370)
I can’t fault any of your reasoning.

Perhaps it might be accurate to say that as email has declined in popularity, “spam” has simply moved to the Web.

Re:The web starts on page four by xp84 on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @07:45PM (#30186744)
Indeed - and a glance at the ads on even mainstream sites sure back that up. They're mostly shilling casino mobile games, scam tech (like 'portable air conditioners' that are just a fan that blows over a wet sponge for $75) and the big one, unregulated dietary supplements sold with disgusting imagery and "One weird trick" ad copy. It is almost entirely just utter bottom-feeding trash. And this is what's paying the bills for 'reputable' sites like CNN, Bloomberg, CNBC, whatever.