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Re:Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Fr... by JoshTriplett on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @12:07AM (#30173956)
> The human accident rate is about one per 500K miles, so if they were able to get in that range, then yes, they would have succeeded; drivers would be able to stop paying attention to the road without putting themselves and others in danger.

Unfortunately, I expect that automation will be held to a higher standard than human drivers, rather than the same standard. When an accident happens, people want to know who to blame, and an unimpaired human driver gets somewhat more latitude for a genuine accident, while a piece of software is always going to be perceived to be at fault (which it may well be, even in a situation where a human wouldn't be considered to be). And conversely, people (somewhat validly) want to have more control: every driver thinks they're above average, and the software won't be as good as their accident rate, and if something happened at least they were in control when it happened.

I don't necessarily even think those are incorrect perspectives; we should hold software to a high standard, and not accept "just" being as good as human drivers when it could be much better. But at the same time, when software does become more reliable than human drivers, we should start switching over to make people safer, even while we continue making it better.

(Personally, I wish we had enough widespread coordination to just build underground automated-vehicles-only roads.)

Re:Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Fr... by rightbyte on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:28AM (#30176187)
> Unfortunately, I expect that automation will be held to a higher standard than human drivers, rather than the same standard.

The average driver in a crash is worse than the average driver. Why would we compare FSD with reckless drunks, etc.

Re:Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Fr... by JoshTriplett on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @12:29PM (#30180763)
I'm expecting that we should compare self-driving vehicles to the average driver, not "the average driver in a crash".
Re:Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Fr... by rightbyte on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @02:40PM (#30182879)
Ye.

Also, I should have written "the average driver in a crash is worse than the median driver".

"* In 2016, 10,497 people died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for 28% of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.

* Drugs other than alcohol (legal and illegal) are involved in about 16% of motor vehicle crashes." https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/impaired_driving/im...

If we include recklessness, FSD maybe need better than half the fatality rate of human drivers, to be on par with the median driver.