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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by simondotau on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @10:05PM (#30173157)
This is nonetheless comparing a product currently on sale with a development platform not currently on sale. Surely a fairer test would be to compare a Luminar tech development rig with a Tesla tech development rig.

Luminar doesn't appear to have access to Tesla's under-development technology beta which is, as YouTube videos of FSD beta clearly shows, markedly superior to the technology currently deployed in most Tesla cars. I can't say whether the FSD beta would reliably stop for balloon-children, but from the warts-and-all videos being posted on YouTube, it seems highly likely that it would.

Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by dragontamer on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @10:15PM (#30173231)
> Surely a fairer test

What?

The "test", as far as I'm concerned, is whether or not Tesla will kill children on our streets. And given this test, it proves that Tesla's emergency braking capabilities are awful.

I don't care about Luminar tech at all, frankly. If Luminar becomes available to buy one day, maybe I'll care then.

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At the _ROOT_ of this discussion is a poster who openly admits to using "Autopilot" in school-zones. Given that Tesla will _NOT_ stop for balloon-children until its way too late (the braking action was _AFTER_ the balloon-child was smacked), I have to immediately reprimand the original poster. This is a critical safety issue that people must understand, "Autopilot" and "FSD" are NOT ready to be used in school zones, or other locations where children might run out into the streets randomly.

This has nothing to do with tech-companies swinging their tech around at a show. This has everything to do with stopping the next child from getting smacked by an ignorant driver.

Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by simondotau on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @05:06AM (#30175706)
By that logic, the fairer test is for an independent arbiter to compare Tesla's AEB with other cars on sale, modelling a variety of common collision scenarios. All that's been proven here is that a motivated competitor was able to identify one scenario where their development tech works and Tesla's does not.

Let me be clear: I'm not saying that Tesla's current release version of AEB is anywhere near good enough. Clearly there is substantial room for improvement. If I had any influence over Tesla's priorities, I would make them package up the subset of FSD Beta necessary to perform AEB and get that deployed to the entire fleet as a matter of urgency.

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As for whether a driver chooses to use any L1 or L2 driver assistance features in an inappropriate context, that is always the responsibility of the licensed driver. Engaging these systems is always a manual task performed by the driver. They are not on by default.

If there is a legitimate concern here, perhaps the correct response is to institute a blanket ban on the use of any assistance technologies (e.g. adaptive cruise, lane centring) while in school zones.