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Re:Man found guilty of ‘grossly offensive’ tweet by JetAlone on Monday January 31, 2022 @09:33PM (#30157915)
You can't create an "intent inquisition" court system to fix the problems surrounding speech, offense, violence etc. There is no political solution. The sincerity with which we hold beliefs is what motivates the desire to harm those who hold contradictory beliefs, whether acted on or not. Humans naturally crave life in a civilization where their personal "god/pantheon" of core values is the unifying social glue. That kind of life seems to make sense as one where a person can live each day with only moderate difficulty, work and acquire enduring wealth, be part of a family that sticks together. When they feel like that is within reach, or under threat, they will game any system or flout its rules to fight each other.
Re:Man found guilty of ‘grossly offensive’ tweet by badrabbit on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @12:23AM (#30158935)
We already have such a system. If you kill someone and it was an accident it is manslaughter. If you planned it ahead of time it is murder.

To the most part, intent is illegal not actions. Provable intent with the assumption that you are innocent until reasonably proven otherwise.

Re:Man found guilty of ‘grossly offensive’ tweet by JetAlone on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @01:03AM (#30159127)
I'm not debating whether or not we have tried to make such a system or have one, I am saying more of it will not solve our current problems surrounding speech, offense, violence, etc.
Re:Man found guilty of ‘grossly offensive’ tweet by badrabbit on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @01:11AM (#30159174)
Your goal is different than mine. My goal is justice not solutions. For a person who did wrong to pay for their intent and for all innocents to remain so. I am saying like most other things we half-assef freedom of speech and expression without consideration of intent and the current constitution-worshipping culture only does harm against the goals of justice,peace and prosperity.
Re:Man found guilty of ‘grossly offensive’ tweet by JetAlone on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @01:21AM (#30159236)
I'm convinced that true justice, prosperity and peace are out of our collective reach right now. My goal is to survive and be honest in a world where we only have shadows (or, too often, parodies) of these things. I am not necessarily opposed to you approaching your stated goals, though I think everyone who tries will fail unless we can create good relationships that transcend things like legal systems. I think that might also be what you are actually hungry for, since you cite concern about "constitution worship". I think the constitution and traditional law codes like it could be a relatively effective rule of law if it were actually followed. Probably more effective than whatever new thing we can make up today with our collective minds largely strung out with fear, stress, anger and mental illness.
Re:Man found guilty of ‘grossly offensive’ tweet by badrabbit on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @05:23AM (#30160717)
Justice is the correction of evil and wrong. There are no grades of purity. It is always within reach if we act. But I agree about being honest and admitting we can't achieve justice in some situations and settle for preventing harm to others, we need to be honest about that.

The core principle you must understand is, in order to administer justice you must accept that guilty people will not have provable criminal intent most of the time and will retain their innocence. But when criminal intent is provable, all effort must be made to administer a fair punishment while allowing victims to show mercy.

Your statement about relationships makes sense, I would say establishing sociental trust is the primary step needed before establishing any rule of law that serves as the contract between the government and the people.