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Re:Reimagining Chess with AlphaZero by adgjlsfhk1 on Monday January 31, 2022 @01:48AM (#30145271)
the draw problem isn't entirely human. computers draw something like 80% of games even with openings specifically chosen to reduced the number of draws.
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Re:Reimagining Chess with AlphaZero by snovv_crash on Monday January 31, 2022 @01:56AM (#30145311)
But it's that because we optimize the algorithms under the same ruleset?

I imagine if a draw was counted as a loss to both sides, there would be a lot more aggressive plays, since just stonewalling a skilled opponent would be the same as losing.

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Re:Reimagining Chess with AlphaZero by adgjlsfhk1 on Monday January 31, 2022 @02:10AM (#30145369)
lc0 has had bets trained where draws are a loss. it doesn't change much
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Re:Reimagining Chess with AlphaZero by light_hue_1 on Monday January 31, 2022 @12:53PM (#30151308)
Humans and machines draw for totally different reasons.

Machines don't have any concept of a tournament. Humans go into drawn lines and get rid of tension in order to play the tournament meta-game. Since draws are worth so much, it's often a good idea to just bail out with a draw.

A lot of human positions wouldn't be drawn by machines, they would keep hammering the opponent.

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