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Re:Royal Society cautions against censorship of scientific m... by s1artibartfast on Sunday January 30, 2022 @07:53PM (#30143059)
There has also been a huge emphasis on institutional misdeeds, driven by the outrage economy.

Nobody takes note of the hundreds of life improving drugs developed in the same time period as opioid epidemic. Nobody takes note when cops arrest the right guy and saved the day. Nobody takes note when a country doesn't militarily threaten or invade the US.

Re:Royal Society cautions against censorship of scientific m... by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Sunday January 30, 2022 @08:09PM (#30143208)
Interesting point. Do you think were it not for outrage economy, would US tackle it faster/slower/at the same rate? Maybe the reason for outrage economy is that there is a fair amount of things to be outraged about.
Re:Royal Society cautions against censorship of scientific m... by s1artibartfast on Sunday January 30, 2022 @08:30PM (#30143380)
I personally think the majority of the outrage economy is counter productive. It is important to identify and communicate areas for improvement, but I think most of the solutions generated from the state of outrage are off target. I think emotional outrage is a natural response to some of the injustice in the world, but rarely helpful in actually solving a problem.
Re:Royal Society cautions against censorship of scientific m... by sockpuppet_12 on Sunday January 30, 2022 @08:11PM (#30143229)
Is the life of one innocent person an acceptable price for success?
Re:Royal Society cautions against censorship of scientific m... by s1artibartfast on Sunday January 30, 2022 @08:24PM (#30143334)
What do you mean by success here? Depending on your definition, I think there are times where the answer is yes. There are clear analogs to the trolley problem in public policy every day.
Re:Royal Society cautions against censorship of scientific m... by AnimalMuppet on Sunday January 30, 2022 @08:31PM (#30143391)
Is the life of one innocent person an acceptable price for the lives of several innocent people?

Note well: I'm not actually a consequentialist. I'm just pointing out what "for success" actually means, at least some of the time.

Re:Royal Society cautions against censorship of scientific m... by s1artibartfast on Sunday January 30, 2022 @08:52PM (#30143538)
The answer we have generally come to is based on a psudo kantian interpretation of causality. One innocent can die due to inaction, but you can't actively kill one to save many.

We don't allow nonconsentual body snachers to harvest one person to save many. Alternatively we may allocate finite funds to save several lives instead of a single life. We may also choose not to spend the money to save a life

Re:Royal Society cautions against censorship of scientific m... by CPLX on Sunday January 30, 2022 @08:25PM (#30143346)
Sorry nobody gives a fuck that our global military dick swinging prevented Senegal and Guatemala from sailing into New York harbor and carting off our treasures.

The outrage economy tends to focus on people and interpersonal drama. Some comedian said this, or maybe some company did something stupid and there’s a walkout.

If anything there’s a massive shortage of outrage. Given the degree of misery the entrenched elite is inflicting on the masses, the fact that we don’t have a general strike or torch wielding mobs swarming over the gates of billionaire’s houses is frankly astonishing.

Re:Royal Society cautions against censorship of scientific m... by s1artibartfast on Sunday January 30, 2022 @08:35PM (#30143417)
Outrage is only good in that it generate interest in the topic. There is a surplus of hot-headed illogical people bogging down any real constructive discussion. There is a shortage of people that understand the realistic challenges involved and working to come up with viable Solutions on either side of a given issue
Re:Royal Society cautions against censorship of scientific m... by CPLX on Sunday January 30, 2022 @08:44PM (#30143486)
The problem is that the only viable solution is for an entrenched elite with disproportionate power and money to lose much of that power and influence.

It’s a struggle between the masses and the ruling class about who gets to make decisions in our society, not like lunch meeting where we can find common sense action items to agree on.

Re:Royal Society cautions against censorship of scientific m... by s1artibartfast on Sunday January 30, 2022 @09:10PM (#30143685)
How does outrage help overcome this challenge. A good chunk of the country stands with the status quo and elites on any given topic.

I don't think outrage changes minds, just engages your base. It also encourages the working masses to lash out at each other. Most outrage topics serve mostly to pit the masses against each other, based on skin color, gender, or who has bigger scraps from the economic table.

If you want real change, the solutions are relatively simple IMHO. Ranked choice voting, proportional representation in senate and congress, and less winner take all closer to a Parliament.

Re:Royal Society cautions against censorship of scientific m... by immibis on Monday January 31, 2022 @07:43AM (#30147312)
Outrage economy is about making the opposite decisions from the "ruling class" no matter what those decisions are