Re:The case against masks at school
by taylodl on Thursday January 27, 2022 @06:33PM
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Because if you're unvaccinated you're much more likely to require hospitalization should you get Covid. The impact to others is the unvaccinated are consuming medical resources and causing burn-out amongst medical practitioners.
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We dont make this distinction with the vast majority of personal choices. Obesity causes a ton of strain on our health system. Should we start a class system based on BMI?
I’ve never caught obesity by sitting next to someone. Have you?
Again, vaccines do not stop transmission or contagion
Where are you getting the information for this claim? The vaccines certainly reduce your chance of catching it, and though vaccinated individuals may have similar viral loads to unvaccinated people at peak, the period of time that they're infectious is shorter. [0] One study even suggests less infectiousness. [1]
Where have you seen otherwise?
[0] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...
[1] https://www.jwatch.org/na54386/2021/12/15/transmission-risk-...
Both of those studies predate the omnicron wave. The rate of transmission in fully vaccinated regions is still very high.
This one [0] references omicron specifically, noting that though omicron is better at evading immunity, vaccines still helped.
[0] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788485
So you’re in favor of mandates along the lines of “Get the vaccine or you are fired” for marginal benefits? Would you be ok if this precedent was extended to other prevention areas? Eg. Maintain social distancing or you are fired (protests of any kind are typically not socially distanced)
Wasn't this subthread was about your claim that getting vaccinated doesn't influence one's chance of infecting others?
If you want to retreat to "ok, they probably do actually help a little bit with that, but I think the amount to which they help with that is small enough that [thing] isn't worth it.", then ok, but, like, I think you should probably make it explicit.
(earlier, the topic was about like, health insurance, not employment, and so I'm using [thing] to cover both of those things.)
Seatbelts. Helmets. Cigarette taxes. Drinking ages.
Sure but there is a big difference between finding somebody for not wearing a seatbelt in denying them medical care.
If nurses and doctors were quitting and students dropping out of medical school for fear of dealing with the fallout surrounding people not wearing seatbelts... yeah, we'd probably be considering it.