Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
by eli on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @12:43PM
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No she didn't. She said cloth masks were the least effective type of mask. Here's the CDC guidance: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si...
And here's a quote not a "paraphrase": "What I will say is the best mask that you can wear is the one that you will wear and the one you can keep on all day long that you can tolerate in public indoor settings and tolerate where you need to wear it," Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the CDC director, told reporters this week. from https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cdc-warns-loosely-woven-clot...
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
by Izkata on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @12:50PM
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Ah yeah I got two interviews mixed up - here's video of what I'm remembering: https://mobile.twitter.com/townhallcom/status/14733056927149...
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
by eli on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @01:01PM
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I'm no longer sure what point you're trying to make. She didn't say "masks don't work" either.
Masks absolutely work to prevent covid infection. Higher quality masks are much better than cloth ones, but any mask is better than no mask.
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
by Izkata on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @01:10PM
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I added a note to my first comment, basically I think this triggered a realization in a lot of people how assumptions have been wrong from the start.
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
by Angostura on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @12:39PM
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> said in an interview (paraphrased) "cloth masks are ineffective against the transmissibility of omicron".
That's a reallty dangerous thing to try and paraphrase - what did they actually say? Less effective? Have limited effectiveness? There's no evidence of any effect whatsoever? You have to be precise.
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
by devmor on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @12:43PM
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The CDC has repeatedly changed their standpoint on multiple measures in response to political influence. I put more trust in the WHO, who still recommend using masks. https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2...
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
by shin_lao on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @12:45PM
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Also N95 have a limited effectiveness over time (e.g. you need to change it regularly).
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
by dahfizz on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @01:06PM
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This typically applies to surgical masks as well. The reason is that the fibers of the mask have an electrostatic charge. This charge helps the mask filter particles much better, but the charge will wane over time.
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
by mindslight on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @01:32PM
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The official guidance on my P100 3M 2297 filters is to replace them when breathing becomes hard or the nuisance organic vapor protection isn't working as well as you'd like. Everything I've found concurs that the particulate filtration does not diminish with time/use.
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
by blub on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @02:37PM
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AFAIK some filters are mechanical and others require the electrosatic charge to reach their stated performance. Half-masks or full face masks are typically of the former kind, while smaller masks of the latter kind.
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
by mindslight on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:08PM
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The 2297 and 2097 filters (at least) are made with electrostatic media. The 2297 touts "Advanced Electret Media" for easier breathing.
(Edit: wrong person, here's video of what I'm remembering: https://mobile.twitter.com/townhallcom/status/14733056927149... ) (Anyway that was just intended as context for below, what I think may have been the starting point for a larger shift)
Thing is, the virus didn't change size, so right after this it's as if people started to realize the droplets-vs-aerosols mistake from 2020 that a minority have kept on since then, and what they've been saying for over a year is slowly becoming accepted:
Masks and social distancing were mandated under the assumption SARS-CoV-2 spread primarily through heavy droplets that would quickly fall to the ground, which were also large and heavy enough to easily be caught by masks. However, it turns out the primary spread vector is aerosol - too small for cloth masks to catch, light enough to quickly diffuse through a room, and light enough to easily slip around the sides of an unsealed mask.
A well-sealed N95 might work, but considering how bad even pro-mask people are at wearing cloth masks correctly, I don't think very many would manage to wear the N95 right.