A non trivial portion of excess deaths can be laid at the feet of the response to the virus, not necessarily the virus itself.

This would include the things like firing healthcare workers, leading to other problems being undiagnosed, and worsening instead of being treated. I would also include lockdowns and mask mandates as being responsible for increased amounts of depression, which has a known poor impact on survival over time, and that's not just counting suicide.

we maybe fired less than a tenth of a percent of health care workers. and most were not even nurses they were janitors and the like. a few thousands in a field of hundreds of thousands.

if your going to make shit up at least make up believable bullshit.

No need for the attitude.

And it doesn't have to be widespread - given the thin staffing margins that hospitals already run on, losing a small amount of people in a large facility can have outsized effects.

there is no need for you to spread completely unfounded conspiracy theories without evidence to back it up either but here we are.

You yourself said we're talking about a few thousand people. The idea that losing that many people all at once (within the space of a month or two), especially during a time of increased hospital usage, has no impact on outcomes (which is what you appear to be arguing), is asinine.

I'd thank you to engage with the argument in good faith per the site guidelines, or don't bother responding.

tl;dr; when you start having the discussion in good faith I will.

once you actually have a position that can be discussed. show me evidence of your position and I'll stop calling it a bat shit insane conspiracy theory.

right now all you've done is assert complete bullshit. I can link to articles with hospitals stating how many of their staff they've fired due to anti-vax behaviors. I doubt you can find a single instance of a hospital shortage due directly to the few thousand works in the entire country who were fired for their anti-vax beliefs.

even if you did find a hospital in that position, the issue certainly isn't wide spread enough to even merit a footnote when it comes to health policy.