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Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by aaron_m04 on Sunday January 23, 2022 @04:37PM (#30050696)
Can't John Deere just have customers sign away their right to sue or be party to a class action? They could make that a requirement for new customers or customers seeking repairs.
Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by jbkiv on Sunday January 23, 2022 @05:29PM (#30051202)
They can. Up to a point. If you push too much one day you will face a jury composed of normal people. We have experienced that in some states with non compete agreements. It got to the point that you could no longer work anywhere else. Sometimes the company would make you sign documents saying that they owned the IP you were creating AFTER your departure. Don't push too hard because at one point you will that jury of normal people. And they will make their mind very quickly.
Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by bluGill on Sunday January 23, 2022 @05:03PM (#30050961)
What about after the tractor is sold to someone else?

The EPA also doesn't like the idea of people making things not pass emissions.

Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by rasz on Sunday January 23, 2022 @08:23PM (#30052558)
In most states (all?) this happens thru OBD II, so not a real test, with tons of exemptions depending on car weight/engine type/age.

This https://www.wep-inc.com/inspection-maintenance-programs/texa... is hilarious. You arent testing car emissions, you are reading car computer self report.

In EU, NZ/AU and probably many more places Tailpipe gas emissions test is routine. There are even mobile units with portable Emissions measurement systems. Meanwhile even California doesnt mandate tailpipe tests :o

Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by bluGill on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:12AM (#30059493)
I didn't say anything about testing. I've never heard of anyone doing emissions testing on tractors after it leaves the factory. I said that the EPA will get mad if someone changes the emissions. The EPA has already hinted that making it possible for random people to violate emissions by changes the software will be a bad thing. Not sure how this will turn out in court and laws, but it is a factor.

When I press people on what parts of their tractors they can't do now it generally comes down to something that would make the tractor not pass emissions if it was tested. Parts and computer test equipment is readily available.

Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by rasz on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:17AM (#30069098)
This is precisely my point. Rest of the world tests, they test actual exhaust emissions, and there are regulations and penalties.

US on the other hand legislated computer DRM "for engines" because its cheaper/faster, anything beyond is a super special case. My favorite is actual tailpipe test commercial trucks must pass in NY - they test opacity of gas aka "is the smoke visible?" :o and look for physical presence of all mandated emission hardware for that model/year/exemption status. All of that theater instead of using proper exhaust gas analyzers.

>Parts and computer test equipment is readily available.

Can you download standalone John Deere service software? or did you mean signing up for their paid SAAS package?

Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by hiptobecubic on Sunday January 23, 2022 @11:41PM (#30053821)
They do for older cars.
Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by rasz on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:18AM (#30069110)
Its the other way around. Older/weirder stuff is usually fully exempted.
Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by ipaddr on Sunday January 23, 2022 @06:05PM (#30051542)
You shouldn't be able to sign those rights away.
Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by pessimizer on Sunday January 23, 2022 @06:45PM (#30051921)
It's like a corporate sharia law.