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Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by lostgame on Sunday January 23, 2022 @02:40PM (#30049657)
While this is great news; I unfortunately have to wonder how effective this is going to be. We need likely a much, much larger subset of farmers joining such a class action lawsuit - ideally from as many states as possible - to get this to change.

Out of their greed; John Deere will fight this with all they have.

I still think the best solution to this is still a startup that can create tractors that don’t require repairs by a first party. I understand the difficulties behind such an operation, but I’m unfortunately not sure how successful such a lawsuit will be in America without the hell of a lot more ‘ooomph’ behind it.

Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by thr0wawayf00 on Sunday January 23, 2022 @02:53PM (#30049818)
> I still think the best solution to this is still a startup that can create tractors that don’t require repairs by a first party.

You're still going up against massively entrenched and influential opposition that could likely undercut a startup's prices and then raise them again once the competition dies.

We saw it with the rideshare companies. Their business models are flexible enough to take losses when necessary in order to beat out alternatives and then programmatically raise the prices again once they've captured the market again.

Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by Retric on Sunday January 23, 2022 @03:51PM (#30050312)
The issue is they are operating in the printer ink model where the initial price is discounted based on expected future revenue. That’s a hard nut to crack because any open competition is fighting from a seeming price disadvantage.
Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by MrsPeaches on Sunday January 23, 2022 @04:09PM (#30050461)
Just wanted to say thank you for the insightful comment.

> That’s a hard nut to crack because any open competition is fighting from a seeming price disadvantage.

What other markets are there, where new entrants face the same problem?

Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by Overtonwindow on Sunday January 23, 2022 @03:13PM (#30049999)
Is it possible to invest in this lawsuit? Considering how Peter Theil invested in the Hogan lawsuit, perhaps there should be a legal investment concept.

Edit: Well, it appears there is something like this already. "Crowd Justice" https://www.crowdjustice.com/

Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by imglorp on Sunday January 23, 2022 @03:53PM (#30050344)
I would like to see a much broader decision, something

    * applying to all products, not just ag
    * allowing my choice of parts
    * allow me or my choice of shop to work on it
    * no cryptographic DRM'ed parts
    * access to schematics, shop manuals, and admin/interface software
Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by loonster on Sunday January 23, 2022 @04:01PM (#30050409)
IIRC, investing in lawsuits can also open you up to liability if you lose.
Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by spicybright on Sunday January 23, 2022 @02:53PM (#30049816)
I've been hearing about farmers trying to organize for at least the past 5 years to tackle this. I'm not going to hold my breath for much progress, sadly.

An "open tractor" from a new company is also going to be hard to justify with how thin margins are with farming.

Maybe some techies can get together to make repair easier. New electronic control boards, diagrams of how to machine their own replacement parts, etc. for the most popular tractors people own.

It's a tough problem to solve, but one worth fighting any way we can.

Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by NexRebular on Sunday January 23, 2022 @04:08PM (#30050456)
Wonder if they could start buying company stock to get enough voting power to make a difference...
Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by bluGill on Sunday January 23, 2022 @05:08PM (#30051004)
No entity can legally own more than 10% of John Deere's stock. I forget why that rule is. Something they are in, perhaps finance? If farmers are acting as a group they probably would be in trouble for individual purchases that collectively violate the rules.
Re:Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’ by cabalamat on Sunday January 23, 2022 @03:07PM (#30049954)
> I still think the best solution to this is still a startup that can create tractors that don’t require repairs by a first party.

Do other tractor manufacturers have Deere-style DRM? I imagine some don't.