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Re:Covid Booster Highly Effective Against Omicron by fithisux on Saturday January 22, 2022 @03:08PM (#30040380)
This is not what they said to us the first 2 times here in Greece. And after so much vaccination we are in the worst condition ever. Who knows, maybe with the 4th round we may be lucky.
Re:Covid Booster Highly Effective Against Omicron by _kulang on Saturday January 22, 2022 @06:23PM (#30041855)
Well we got unlucky with omicron, after already being unlucky with delta. Disease changed but the vaccines are the same - vaxxed people are probably totally immune to the original strain
Re:Covid Booster Highly Effective Against Omicron by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo on Saturday January 22, 2022 @03:50PM (#30040697)
You know when a program you coded doesn't work anymore or only with degraded performance because of an outside api? That's it you need to patch it. stop talking like it's something unbelievable insidious happening we need updated influeca vaccines every year. ffs
Re:Covid Booster Highly Effective Against Omicron by Baloo on Saturday January 22, 2022 @04:16PM (#30040902)
https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102

Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now.

The BMJ supports vaccination policies based on sound evidence. As the global vaccine rollout continues, it cannot be justifiable or in the best interests of patients and the public that we are left to just trust “in the system,” with the distant hope that the underlying data may become available for independent scrutiny at some point in the future. The same applies to treatments for covid-19. Transparency is the key to building trust and an important route to answering people’s legitimate questions about the efficacy and safety of vaccines and treatments and the clinical and public health policies established for their use.

Pharmaceutical companies are reaping vast profits without adequate independent scrutiny of their scientific claims. The purpose of regulators is not to dance to the tune of rich global corporations and enrich them further; it is to protect the health of their populations. We need complete data transparency for all studies, we need it in the public interest, and we need it now.

Re:Covid Booster Highly Effective Against Omicron by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo on Saturday January 22, 2022 @04:51PM (#30041166)
Re:Covid Booster Highly Effective Against Omicron by Baloo on Saturday January 22, 2022 @05:11PM (#30041309)
Peoples concerns and hesitancy surrounding the efficacy and safety of pharmaceuticals is not born in a vacuum, it comes from years of profiteering at the expense of patients. If there is a stigma and lack of faith surrounding these companies, it is typically due to historical precedent. There is a reason that drug manufacturers are some of the least trusted companies in the world, time and time again they abused their position and this has to be acknowledged. The more transparency that can be achieved with their products, the better.
Re:Covid Booster Highly Effective Against Omicron by ls15 on Sunday January 23, 2022 @06:57AM (#30045533)
> You know when a program you coded doesn't work anymore or only with degraded performance because of an outside api? That's it you need to patch it. stop talking like it's something unbelievable insidious happening we need updated influeca vaccines every year. ffs

That's fine, as long as nobody acts like they know how it protects people in the future and tries to force it on people.

Re:Covid Booster Highly Effective Against Omicron by acdha on Sunday January 23, 2022 @02:19PM (#30049403)
The vaccines clearly do protect people by a significant degree, and as we’ve seen they’ve also been highly effective against strains which arose after the initial development. That makes it quite reasonable to expect that vaccinated people will fare better against future variants, and even if you’re a complete sociopath who doesn’t care about the human cost, that means society will be better off with fewer disruptions due to illness and less stress on the medical system.
Re:Covid Booster Highly Effective Against Omicron by ls15 on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:31AM (#30054041)
That's some other goalpost (with regard to mandating vaccinations). Vitamin D clearly does protect people by a significant degree and it is not mandated.

> and even if you’re a complete sociopath who doesn’t care about the human cost

Or on the opposite end of the spectrum, a complete sociopath who does not care about overriding people's personal medical decisions and moves the goalpost over and over in order to achieve that goal as we were able to see in popular media during the pandemic.

Re:Covid Booster Highly Effective Against Omicron by acdha on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:36AM (#30058067)
> Vitamin D clearly does protect people by a significant degree and it is not mandated.

Mandates are rare and restricted to things which are well-established scientifically, like the efficacy of vaccination.

Re:Covid Booster Highly Effective Against Omicron by ls15 on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:20AM (#30059650)
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11739-021-02902-w

> In this large observational population study, we show a significant association between vitamin D deficiency and the risks of SARS-CoV-2 infection and of severe disease in those infected.

There are many other studies that say the same.

Re:Covid Booster Highly Effective Against Omicron by acdha on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:15PM (#30060632)
Keep reading:

> Whether vitamin D plays a causal role in COVID-19 pathophysiology or just a marker of ill health is not known, and our results should be carefully interpreted, as patients positive for SARS-CoV-2 and with severe COVID-19 had a higher number of comorbidities.

> Further large randomized controlled trials are warranted to determine if vitamin D supplementation can decrease COVID-19 incidence and its severity.

Contrast that with vaccination, which has had large trials and been shown to be highly effective. Continuing to study Vitamin D is clearly a good idea — even if it does turn out just to be a symptom of other problems, that seems potentially useful for early intervention just like BMI — but it's nowhere near as settled a question and as a matter of practicality you have to consider the challenges of something which requires changing daily eating habits relative to periodic vaccination.

Re:Covid Booster Highly Effective Against Omicron by ls15 on Monday January 24, 2022 @01:38PM (#30061915)
I mean yes, the large vaccine trials got all the attention and almost limitless resources, but what have they shown? I just recovered from symptomatic Omicron after being vaccinated and there is no way to tell if the vaccine did even play a role at all. Did it prevent severe disease? There is not much severe disease in my age group and for Omicron in the first place. Since the trials, the public narrative has shifted from herd immunity over reduce transmission to prevent hospitalizations. The current recommendation is to wear masks even when boostered. After all, the vaccines were developed for a strain that is no concern anymore.

For vitamin D on the other hand, we learned long ago that it is associated with better outcomes for infectious and other diseaseses in general and we have all these smaller studies that suggest an association between Covid and vitamin D - even though none of the can compete with the mega trials in terms of vastness of data. At the same time, we know that a large share of people in the Western world is vitamin D deficient. I don't want to move the goalpost too far, but what is a good justification for focussing so many resources on the vaccines and so little on other things that are clearly so promising?