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Re:Tell HN: A Conversation Needs to Be Had over Subscription... by coldtea on Friday January 21, 2022 @06:45PM (#30031468)
>I don't think it makes sense to call anyone making an informed decision to overpay for a service a victim.

No, those I'm calling victims are people like me, who would like to buy the update and own it, but are instead forced in a subscription - which if they ever have to stop paying for whatever reason (e.g. out of a job, medical bills, etc) they lose their access to the programs they've been paying for month over month for years.

A music program called Reason is a good example of the scumbuggery involved. It used to have $129 annual updates - which were already overpriced, as they had minimal changes, and more professional competitors like Steinberg with much bigger update deltas (new features, work involved, etc) charged much less for their annual updates.

Now, they switched to subscription, for $20/month ($240/year) where they give access to some extra plugins to entice you. But to force the user's hands (since they still offer the paid annual updates), they also bumped the annual update price to $200/year (without the extra plugins, the regular, already-overpriced-at-129 update).

Re:Tell HN: A Conversation Needs to Be Had over Subscription... by marginalia_nu on Saturday January 22, 2022 @06:27AM (#30035754)
I don't think you are a victim because you don't agree with the the terms of an offer. As you said, the actual changes are minimal. You can just reject the deal and stick to your old version, if you don't think it's worth it.
Re:Tell HN: A Conversation Needs to Be Had over Subscription... by coldtea on Saturday January 22, 2022 @09:45AM (#30037056)
>You can just reject the deal and stick to your old version, if you don't think it's worth it.

Which gets incompatible and can't run with changes to OS, plugin SDKs, and so on.

Victim here doesn't mean "they put a gun on your head".

It means they removed a specific update model and replaced with a shitty one, while doubling the prices, and fucking you over if you want to continue using the platform.