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Re:‘I was just scared’: Apple AirTags lead to stalking compl... by probably_wrong on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:09AM (#30025464)
> “If you really are nefarious and evil and you really want to find someone, there are things that are much better than an AirTag” (...)

While it's true that there are better ways to stalk people, I think an AirTag brings something to the table that wasn't there before: the normalization of having stalking hardware at hand.

Buying a "stalker kit" requires me to think long and hard about stalking someone. I need to make the decision, buy the hardware, wait for it to be delivered (or, alternatively, walk into the kind of store that sells spy equipment), create an opportunity, and go for it. Most well-adjusted people wouldn't go so far.

But once AirTags normalize having these things in your keychain all the time, the "entry barrier" for stalking is lowered. All it takes is one beer too much and a split-second decision.

Re:‘I was just scared’: Apple AirTags lead to stalking compl... by alex_duf on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:30AM (#30025825)
Also it makes the justification of buying such a product much easier. "I need to track my backpack" is better accepted than "I need a GPS tracker to follow my ex partner".

I do believe Apple opened a can of worms they shouldn't have, and that it's going to cause great distress to many people.

Re:‘I was just scared’: Apple AirTags lead to stalking compl... by diffeomorphism on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:42AM (#30026017)
Apple opened? Weren't these trackers popular long before that, e.g. tile?
Re:‘I was just scared’: Apple AirTags lead to stalking compl... by syrrim on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:53AM (#30026193)
Apple integrates it into their network of phones, such that they can reliably track someone everywhere they go. I don't think other market players are capable of that.
Re:‘I was just scared’: Apple AirTags lead to stalking compl... by Jtsummers on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:13PM (#30026498)
Tile has "Tile Network" which is similar: https://www.thetileapp.com/en-us/blog/what-is-tile-network-c...

That blog is from 2020, prior to the release (maybe not the announcement, though) of AirTags. It's also probably nowhere near as widespread as Apple's device network, but it does exist.

Re:‘I was just scared’: Apple AirTags lead to stalking compl... by Digory on Friday January 21, 2022 @01:17PM (#30027625)
Amazon’s Sidewalk network is backing Tile. All those Echoes, by default, are hardware trackers, too.

Which is why Tile is much better in dense areas than it used to be.

Re:‘I was just scared’: Apple AirTags lead to stalking compl... by vmception on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:19AM (#30025649)
Yes, normalizing has a lot of reverberations, a conspiracy charge couldn't be levied anymore because its a common combination of items.

Whereas before you could easily have your freedom curbed by having your prior thoughts known in combination with buying the hardware. Ive seen people beat conspiracy charges on appeal but their freedom was still undermined along the way.

Now having a bunch of airtags is benign.

Re:‘I was just scared’: Apple AirTags lead to stalking compl... by aserdf on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:37AM (#30025933)
democratizing stalking since 2021™
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Re:‘I was just scared’: Apple AirTags lead to stalking compl... by pessimizer on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:25AM (#30025754)
Stalkers are regular people. What did you think they were?
Re:‘I was just scared’: Apple AirTags lead to stalking compl... by boffinism on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:19AM (#30025664)
The point is that one beer to many turns a would-be stalker weirdo into a stalker weirdo if they already have the kit to hand.
Re:‘I was just scared’: Apple AirTags lead to stalking compl... by 7steps2much on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:17AM (#30025626)
Depends on how you define stalker honestly. They probably wouldn't be sitting in trees with binoculars or stuff like that, but they might slip airtags into people's stuff.
Re:‘I was just scared’: Apple AirTags lead to stalking compl... by sodkmfkwegw on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:19AM (#30025650)
What a dumb-ass comment. If we had normalized guns and everyone was carrying a gun everywhere, a few beers would likely result in many gunfights lol.
Re:‘I was just scared’: Apple AirTags lead to stalking compl... by immibis on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:02PM (#30026335)
in fact, one famous country did normalize them and does have many gunfights
Re:‘I was just scared’: Apple AirTags lead to stalking compl... by cptskippy on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:17AM (#30025617)
Often the only thing preventing people from doing things is the barrier to entry.