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Re:IP Addressing in 2021 by magicalhippo on Friday January 21, 2022 @10:35AM (#30024950)
> his is a common misconception. Apart from the kind of NATs we have now, there is no way that IPv4 could have been expanded.

The misconception is that IPv4 could have been expanded in a compatible way. That's not GP's point though as I read it. They could have made an incompatible IPv5 which was exactly like IPv4, except with additional address bits.

Then the operational side would be similar, and you wouldn't have to learn everything over again.

Instead they changed just about everything.

Re:IP Addressing in 2021 by WorldMaker on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:17PM (#30029387)
If you are going to have to break backward compatibility anyway, of course you are going to use that as a chance to change other things, fix some things that weren't broken but weren't great either, try for some nice to haves while you are at it.

Especially if you were predicting a migration across any compatibility break would take decades or more (or potentially forever live side-by-side), there's very pragmatic reason "rip the bandaid off" and to change everything all at once rather than make a series of far more painful "smaller" migrations that would each individually take nearly as long.

Re:IP Addressing in 2021 by xxpor on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:47PM (#30027105)
>hey could have made an incompatible IPv5 which was exactly like IPv4, except with additional address bits.

That exists, it's called enhanced IP or something. I'm having trouble finding it now since it's been a few years, but I've had a customer using it. Of course nothing besides the endpoints understood it, so it had to be wrapped in UDP. Horrible.

Re:IP Addressing in 2021 by jandrese on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:22PM (#30030718)
IPv6 isn't that different than IPv4. Neighbor Discovery is just ARP. Not having in-path fragmentation and loads of other IPv4 legacy crap is a good thing.

The only major change is that instead of the smallest routeable unit being a single address the smallest unit is now a whole 64 bit subnet so hosts have a bunch of bits they can use for various purposes. Network administrators don't have to worry about that for the most part, the hosts figure that out on their own.

I guess there might be a security implication if someone has built their security system around knowing everything on the network via DHCP. But that was always a mistake. If you want real security you need to use 802.1x or similar. Being told you can't use DHCP to secure your network anymore is probably shock to some admins, but hopefully they take the opportunity to reconsider their system from the ground up.

Re:IP Addressing in 2021 by unionpivo on Friday January 21, 2022 @07:36PM (#30031832)
There are a lot of changes needed, especially in (old) corporate environments.

I do use ipv6 at home, and at some of our customers, but some of them would have to essentially redesign their entire networking/vpn/security plan (and yes, existing ones are not good, split horizon DNS is almost always present, DHCP is not only used for security, but also for provisioning, there are products that scan subnets and provide reports on devices required for various compliances ...). And that is a hard sell, for what they see as next to no benefits.

Re:IP Addressing in 2021 by Nursie on Friday January 21, 2022 @10:57AM (#30025279)
I wonder if it's perhaps time to write off IPv6, for this reason, and come up with a different standard that is more like that.

Because we're decades in here, and it's still not dominant, for the reasons given.

Re:IP Addressing in 2021 by IshKebab on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:07AM (#30025437)
Based on this

https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=ipv6...

we're probably 15-20 years away from "enough people have IPv6 that you can start dropping IPv4". There's zero chance you could make an IPv5 and have any adoption at all in that time.

Re:IP Addressing in 2021 by p_l on Friday January 21, 2022 @01:46PM (#30028096)
You would start from scratch to develop chips that would support your new formats.

IPv4+TCP and IPv6+TCP is literally baked into hard silicon on many, many devices, even if not for all phases of the protocol. We're talking redesigning switching chips, redesigning TCAM (content-addressable memories used to cache routes), etc. on top of designing yet another protocol.

At least old IPv9 had the benefit of some level of support in sw/hw when it was proposed (as it reused CLNS from OSI for internetwork protocol)