I'm not fussed about the warranty so much as the "updates" period, which, if everything gets upstreamed, might be 10+ years with the pinephone, something that very very few can hold a candle to (afaik fairphone only gets there if you also include 3rd party support)

Framework is, afaik, a bunch of people who have already several long years of wrangling laptop devices and their supply chains, similarly Fairphone is on their 4th iteration, a lot of long years

And more importantly, even with all those years behind their products, I can't buy either of 'em, I however have a pinephone in my hands already

In Europe they can’t do that.

In Australia, if they had an Australian presence they couldn’t do that, but given that they don’t, and each individual is importing a device, the Australian consumer protection laws don’t apply.